My New Long Range Knife Killer !!

[Noss]

Barrett 98 Bravo .338 Lapua :thumb: Capable of Destroying knives out to almost 2000 yards. :eek::D

I still need to buy a new long range scope capable of the long range potential of this round. I just mounted the Nikon shown for now.

Ammo prices for this weapon are just plain sick man so I'm going to reload for it. It's the only way I'm going to be able to afford shooting it. New factory ammo is 120 bucks for 20 rounds. :jerkit: I knew this before I bought it though. :o. I don't ever save much when it comes to reloading 223 or 308 but this round is going to be the exception with some major cost savings. I haven't shot it yet I'm waiting on all my reloading components to arrive.

[Noss]

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[jankerson]

Very nice, you will have fun with that. :thumb:

I shot a .50 Barrett before, sweet rifles, we where shooting gallon juggs at 1500 yards. :D:rockon::cool:

[Noss]

Thanks. I can't wait to shoot it. :rockon:

[culpeper]

Way up there on the cool factor! I like the recoil and danger caliber.

[jankerson]

Thanks. I can't wait to shoot it. :rockon:

What kind of glass are you thinking about?

Unless you are going to be shooting at pop cans at 1000 yards you won't need much over 10x.

[Noss]

Thanks culpeper. It is a sexy beast. :thumb:

jankerson, I'm not sure yet. I'm still looking around at different optics. It will be at least a 10x though. I'm going to break it in with the Nikon first and see how it does at the 300 yard mark and go from there.

[culpeper]

Just a heads up that the USMC is starting to use the Schmidt & Bender 3x12x50 combat telescope on all their sniper rigs up to .50.

EDIT: The police version is available to the general public. Premier Reticles is the distributor for the military model.

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[jankerson]

Thanks culpeper. It is a sexy beast. :thumb:

jankerson, I'm not sure yet. I'm still looking around at different optics. It will be at least a 10x though. I'm going to break it in with the Nikon first and see how it does at the 300 yard mark and go from there.

Unless you are going to be shooting really small targets at 1500+ yards you really don't need much over lets say 10X or even 14X.

One guy had a 24X B&L Target scope mounted on his .50 cal, but he liked shooting at very long ranges past 2000 yards.

Just a heads up that the USMC is starting to use the Schmidt & Bender 3x12x50 combat telescope on all their sniper rigs up to .50.

EDIT: The police version is available to the general public. Premier Reticles is the distributor for the military model.

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When I was in they used the 10X Unertl for the M40 A1 and that was plenty for 1100 meters. They didn't have the .50's yet when I was in though, so what some would do is mount scopes on the Brownings and shoot on Single fire mode. They were good out to about 3000 yards on fixed targets.

A 3x12x50 would be nice on Noss's gun. :)

[culpeper]

Carlos Hathcock holds the record in Vietnam using a Browning .50 with a scope.:rockon: The new USMC scope replaces the Unertl 10x and is mounted on all M40a rifles. I don't know how much Noss paid for his rifle but these new scopes are very expensive. Even the police version.

My USMC SSA M40 doesn't have the Redfield Accurange 3-9x40 as they were used in Vietnam. I mounted a Leupold 3-9x40 Leupold Mark 4 PR mil dot. The original M40 was actually referred as the M700 in Vietnam. It later evolved into the M40A1.

http://www.myculpeper.com/M40/M40b.jpg

http://www.myculpeper.com/M40/M40d.jpg

[jankerson]

Carlos Hathcock holds the record in Vietnam using a Browning .50 with a scope.:rockon: The new USMC scope replaces the Unertl 10x and is mounted on all M40a rifles. I don't know how much Noss paid for his rifle but these new scopes are very expensive. Even the police version.

My USMC SSA M40 doesn't have the Redfield Accurange 3-9x40 as they were used in Vietnam. I mounted a Leupold 3-9x40 Leupold Mark 4 PR mil dot. The original M40 was actually referred as the M700 in Vietnam. It later evolved into the M40A1.

http://www.myculpeper.com/M40/M40b.jpg

http://www.myculpeper.com/M40/M40d.jpg

Nice rifle. :D :thumb:

Yes sniper scopes are VERY expensive.

Yes Carlos Hathcock was very well known when I was in, we all knew about him. :)

[Noss]

Thanks for all the info men. :rockon:

I have been looking at the Schmidt & Benders as well. They aren't cheap. The military model is not available to the public damn it. !! It has extra elevation over the consumer model.

I may just put a Leupold mark 4 LR/TS on it. This is what Barrett seems to recommend for the rifle and they aren't to expensive. Also it will work with the Barrett BORS range system. They sell the whole package for about $2700

culpeper: Great looking rifle system. :rockon: Do you use a bore sight ? I ordered the Leupold Zero point. I usually do this the hard way. Trial and error but with ammo costs I'm going to try this unit out so I can get on the paper fast. I hope it works ? It has good reviews.

[Noss]

Here is a great documentary on snipers if you haven't already seen it. There are 5 parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9MHvLfs6Vk&feature=related

[culpeper]

Thanks for the youtube hookup. BTW, I'm very pleased with the performance of my Mark 4 scope. Yes, I used a Leupold bore sight before taking it to the range. First shot was on paper @100 yards. I've used it on three different rifles with the same results. Don't leave the bore sight on the muzzle.....:D

Here is an image that inspired me to get one of the special edition Remington M40/M700. Mine was manufactured through the Remington custom shop and Iron Brigade Armory and sponsored by the USMC Scout Sniper Assoc. http://dirckhalstead.org/issue0405/ddd36.html. The guy in the middle is David Burdwell and is an acquaintance as is one of his commanders, Earl Breeding, who's company held Hill 861A after it was overrun by NVA. The Marine with the M40/M700 is Albert Miranda and the officer on the right is Alec Bodinwiser.

[jankerson]

Another trick without a bore sight is to stand maybe 10 yards from the target and fire, adjust once from there to zero. You will be on paper, make final adjustments at 100 yards.

[culpeper]

Another trick without a bore sight is to stand maybe 10 yards from the target and fire, adjust once from there to zero. You will be on paper, make final adjustments at 100 yards.

I never thought about that before. Even a caveman can do it....:D

The Leupold bore sight also functions as a means for quick corrections. It comes with a little card plot for different ranges so you can use the bore sight to quickly make adjustments. You need to check it out for a better explanation. But I've only used it for bore sighting before taking to the range for the first time to zero. After that I use good ol' Kentucky windage.

[jankerson]

I never thought about that before. Even a caveman can do it....:D

The Leupold bore sight also functions as a means for quick corrections. It comes with a little card plot for different ranges so you can use the bore sight to quickly make adjustments. You need to check it out for a better explanation. But I've only used it for bore sighting before taking to the range for the first time to zero. After that I use good ol' Kentucky windage.

It's the old quick and dirty way of sighting in. :D

I did learn a few things when I was in the Marines. ;) :D

[culpeper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwjHhJdhY0I

[jankerson]

Yeah that's one of my favorite movies. :D

[wildjim]

Another trick without a bore sight is to stand maybe 10 yards from the target and fire, adjust once from there to zero. You will be on paper, make final adjustments at 100 yards.

This is the method I always used. I never had a bore sighter as I could be on paper and making adjustments rather than fiddling with a contraption. No internet either I learned this from a book. Its fun to read and learn : ) and so is shooting : )

[wildjim]

Barrett 98 Bravo .338 Lapua :thumb: Capable of Destroying knives out to almost 2000 yards. :eek::D

I still need to buy a new long range scope capable of the long range potential of this round. I just mounted the Nikon shown for now.

Ammo prices for this weapon are just plain sick man so I'm going to reload for it. It's the only way I'm going to be able to afford shooting it. New factory ammo is 120 bucks for 20 rounds. :jerkit: I knew this before I bought it though. :o. I don't ever save much when it comes to reloading 223 or 308 but this round is going to be the exception with some major cost savings. I haven't shot it yet I'm waiting on all my reloading components to arrive.

That's a nice one Noss!

Brings back memories. Also the memory of all my reloading equipment being stolen. I need some equipment updates anyway ; )

Now to find half mile range ; )

[Noss]

Another trick without a bore sight is to stand maybe 10 yards from the target and fire, adjust once from there to zero. You will be on paper, make final adjustments at 100 yards.

Thanks. I may have to try this.

wildjim: Thanks. That sucks about your reloading equipment being stolen. I hate thieves. The longest public shooting range we have is 600 yards. I know of some good spots in the national forest for long range shooting well past 1500 yards. We always go fire our shot guns up there.

culpeper: Thanks for the feedback on the bore sighter. I hope to have all my reloading parts in this week and hope to hit the range next weekend. :rockon:

[wildjim]

Thanks. I may have to try this.

wildjim: Thanks. That sucks about your reloading equipment being stolen. I hate thieves. The longest public shooting range we have is 600 yards. I know of some good spots in the national forest for long range shooting well past 1500 yards. We always go fire our shot guns up there.

culpeper: Thanks for the feedback on the bore sighter. I hope to have all my reloading parts in this week and hope to hit the range next weekend. :rockon:

I just watched "The Shooter" I like that movie : )

[Noss]

I haven't seen it or many movies lately.

[wildjim]

I haven't seen it or many movies lately.

You should watch The Shooter. You'll be setting up the Dinty Moore can at a mile and cracking away ; )

[Noss]

I'll watch it if I ever see it on satellite.

[jankerson]

You should watch The Shooter. You'll be setting up the Dinty Moore can at a mile and cracking away ; )

That's a little unrealistic really, and to hit on the 1st shot out of a cold barrel, it don't freaking think so.

I mean it's possible under ideal conditions and the stars and planets lined up just perfect with an angel sitting on your shoulder.

I have shot at 1500 yards with a .50 at gallon milk jugs and yeah I hit some, but also missed about half the time depending on the wind and how it bit me. That is with a Bipod in front and the butt resting on sandbags with a 2 LB trigger pull and handloaded ammo with match grade Bullets. And I knew what I was doing so no it's not easy.

And try adding on another 250 yards to that for 1750 yards = 1 Mile.

[Noss]

1500 yards is no easy shooting task I'm sure. I have never shot this far but I want to with this new rifle. I never had anything before that could reach this far out. Most of my long range shooting has been done with a 308's after around 700 yards a 308 drops like a brick.

[jankerson]

1500 yards is no easy shooting task I'm sure. I have never shot this far but I want to with this new rifle. I never had anything before that could reach this far out. Most of my long range shooting has been done with a 308's after around 700 yards a 308 drops like a brick.

A .308 is good to 1100 yards with a nice range finder score and adjustments. :D

I always liked the .300 H&H as it is deadly accurate at long range. :cool:

I am not too up on these newer rounds as I haven't been in the game for over 10 years now. I know what they are, but I haven't shot most of them personally.

Hey, I am an older guy so I like the old stuff, what can I say. :D

[Noss]

.300 H&H was gaining a lot of popularity a long while back. I considered getting one many years ago. I don't hear much about it today but I haven't kept up with the news as much as I use to. It's a great round from my reading on it.

[jankerson]

.300 H&H was gaining a lot of popularity a long while back. I considered getting one many years ago. I don't hear much about it today but I haven't kept up with the news as much as I use to. It's a great round from my reading on it.

Yeah they seem to go with the newest like a lot of other things.

The .300 H&H was the 1000 yard bench rest round forever and still is the one all others are measured by. It's the triple deuce (.222) of the .30 cals.

[wildjim]

That's a little unrealistic really, and to hit on the 1st shot out of a cold barrel, it don't freaking think so.

I mean it's possible under ideal conditions and the stars and planets lined up just perfect with an angel sitting on your shoulder.

I have shot at 1500 yards with a .50 at gallon milk jugs and yeah I hit some, but also missed about half the time depending on the wind and how it bit me. That is with a Bipod in front and the butt resting on sandbags with a 2 LB trigger pull and handloaded ammo with match grade Bullets. And I knew what I was doing so no it's not easy.

And try adding on another 250 yards to that for 1750 yards = 1 Mile.

Take it easy greasey ; )

Its just a movie, view it for fun and inspiration. . .

[jankerson]

Take it easy greasey ; )

Its just a movie, view it for fun and inspiration. . .


I know it was just a movie, but some really do think it's REAL.

[Noss]

I just got all my reloading parts in so I'm going out to load up 100 rounds.

I also got the bore sighter in. Neat little gadget. :cool: I hope It works for me ?

[Louhikaarme]

Well...long range.

This one I have ought to do the trick...

BMR50S .50BMG on top Weaver T-30...

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc17/Louhikaarme/Bmr50s1.jpg

550 Yards 31mm 5 shot center to center

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc17/Louhikaarme/550yards31mm5shots50BMG.jpg

[jankerson]

That's really a very good group for 550 meters, but the group size would more than triple at a mile.

That is a 1.2" group, see if you can keep it under 4" (101.6 mm) at 1000 meters if you have a range that long to shoot it on. :)

[Noss]

Great looking 50 :cool: Nice group also. I hope mine does this well. I'm going to the range tomorrow morning and sight it in and break in the barrel.

[jankerson]

Great looking 50 :cool: Nice group also. I hope mine does this well. I'm going to the range tomorrow morning and sight it in and break in the barrel.

It will with the right loads, those Barretts can shoot very nice groups with ammo they like. :thumb:

[Noss]

jankerson, I hope I loaded up what it wants. :D

[jankerson]

jankerson, I hope I loaded up what it wants. :D

I hope so too, if not you can work them up slowly. :D

You should be cutting one ragged hole at 100 yards for 5 shots with that thing. I figure something like 1/2" groups or less.

[Noss]

Yeah I hope that's how it shoots at 100 yards. I'm going to the range close to my house first and it's only 100 yards max. Then I'm going to take it to another range that maxes out to 600 yards. Then it's to national forest for 1000 yards plus.

[jankerson]

Yeah I hope that's how it shoots at 100 yards. I'm going to the range close to my house first and it's only 100 yards max. Then I'm going to take it to another range that maxes out to 600 yards. Then it's to national forest for 1000 yards plus.

What I used to do when working up loads was load 3 rounds of each power weight up to just under max load in the manual. Shooting 3 shot groups then taking the most accurate load tested and load up 20 rounds and shoot 5 shot groups to verify.

You should be able to go up in 1/2 grain increments.

Also you can adjust the bullet just off the rifling, the closer the better usually.

Just take your time and make sure all the brass is cut exactly the same length and the bullets are seated the same. Also you can cut the primer pockets all the same depth if you have the tool.

[Noss]

The range was crowded I didn't get to shoot. I didn't get there until about 11 pm. Everyone is getting ready for hunting season. There were no benches open. I'm going first thing in the morning when they open. I need some room also so I don't piss people off with the muzzle brake. :D


jankerson: I do something very similar to you when reloading. I loaded 3 different loads with the same bullets. I have the bullet seated on the rifling. Sometime when you do this they won't fit in the magazines and you have to load one round at a time. Barrett designed the mags with plenty of OAL so they fit and feed fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Oe0HjLMM4

[jankerson]

The range was crowded I didn't get to shoot. I didn't get there until about 11 pm. Everyone is getting ready for hunting season. There were no benches open. I'm going first thing in the morning when they open. I need some room also so I don't piss people off with the muzzle brake. :D


jankerson: I do something very similar to you when reloading. I loaded 3 different loads with the same bullets. I have the bullet seated on the rifling. Sometime when you do this they won't fit in the magazines and you have to load one round at a time. Barrett designed the mags with plenty of OAL so they fit and feed fine.




When I had my long range varmint guns I would do the same as you except with my custom .22-250 Ackley Improved because it was such a hot round. I used 45.5 gr of H414 behind a 55gr Nosler BT using CCI BR Primers for an ave of 4350 fps shooting 1/4" groups at 100 yards. At 400 Yards I was putting 5 shots into 3/4" easy.

Bigger stuff, well my .300 Weathery would do 1/2" groups all day with my loads at 100 yards with the standard barrel. I could hold it under an inch at 200 yards on a good day.

[Karl]

The range was crowded I didn't get to shoot. I didn't get there until about 11 pm. Everyone is getting ready for hunting season. There were no benches open. I'm going first thing in the morning when they open. I need some room also so I don't piss people off with the muzzle brake. :D


jankerson: I do something very similar to you when reloading. I loaded 3 different loads with the same bullets. I have the bullet seated on the rifling. Sometime when you do this they won't fit in the magazines and you have to load one round at a time. Barrett designed the mags with plenty of OAL so they fit and feed fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Oe0HjLMM4


Let us know how it goes...:thumb:

[Noss]

When I had my long range varmint guns I would do the same as you except with my custom .22-250 Ackley Improved because it was such a hot round. I used 45.5 gr of H414 behind a 55gr Nosler BT using CCI BR Primers for an ave of 4350 fps shooting 1/4" groups at 100 yards. At 400 Yards I was putting 5 shots into 3/4" easy.

Bigger stuff, well my .300 Weathery would do 1/2" groups all day with my loads at 100 yards with the standard barrel. I could hold it under an inch at 200 yards on a good day.

4350 fps that's fast. :thumb:

My max load I loaded is 90 grains with a 300 grain sierra match king bullet. 92 grain is the maximum for the powder I bought.


Karl, Will do :thumb:

[culpeper]

I ran across some Privi ammo for your rig that seemed reasonable. I use Privi .308 Match in my M40. They had an explosion at their plant in Serbia but they will just clear out the bodies and get up and running quicker than Hitler reached Stalingrad.

[Noss]

culpeper, I've heard of Privi. I'll look it up. Thanks. :thumb:

[Noss]

100 yard target 10 shots. Barrett 98B .338 lapua

http://knifetest.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=538&d=1253304071


That Leupold boresighter works great.

[Karl]

:thumb: Looking Good...:thumb:

[jankerson]

That's looking good sofar. :D

[Noss]

Thanks men. :thumb: We will see how it does at longer range when I go to the big range here soon. The Barrett is fun to shoot. The recoil is not bad at all on it. The muzzle break does it's thing well. I really like the mono pod on it. I just dial in my shot and shoot. :thumb: The trigger is very nice also.

[Noss]

I think I found the scope I want to get.

http://www.valdada.com/product/7799bd3d-2c65-48aa-add0-7e3fce3894af.aspx

It seems to have everything I want and the price is not bad either.

[jankerson]

Looks like it will do the trick. :D

[culpeper]

I agree. I like the 14x and 50mm objective with German glass. Have you read some reviews yet?

[Noss]

Here is a write up in shotgun news. http://www.valdada.com/docs/ShotgunNewsJuly08.pdf

They didn't have to many complaints. I read some reviews on a few of there other tactical scopes and they were very positive. The German glass is very good from what I've been reading. It has 125 MOA of adjustment and this is one of the things I'm after. It's hard to find many scopes that have this much for extreme long range shooting. I don't want to have to add a canted scope base if I can avoid it.

[Karl]

Good looking piece of Glass Boss man, that's a BIG whammer-jammer!!! 50mm, whoa, you can grab a lot of light with that thing, I agree German/Austrian Glass has an impecable reputation :thumb:

[Louhikaarme]

My wifes T3 Tactical...

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc17/Louhikaarme/P1030007.jpg

I bought it for her as a wedding present when we were married, she loves it...

[Noss]

I like it !!! What caliber is it ?

[Louhikaarme]

Her Tikka T3 Tactical is .308 win, 20" barrel, 3,5-10 Mk4 M3 scope, accurate as hell up to 400 yards, Airi has not shot further yet.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc17/Louhikaarme/IMGP0758.jpg

[Noss]

Nice. Great looking rifle. I would like to get another 308. They go for about 1,500 here so it's in my price range. I'm going to look into these further.

[jankerson]

That should be good out to 1100 meters no problem. :thumb: