View Full Version : Bark River Boone II Destruction Test Completed
steel: 52-100
Blade Thickness: 3/16”
overall Length: 9-5/8
Blade Length:5”
Weight: 6.4 Ounce
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Thanks Noss!
Seems like it held up real well....better than I expected for such a nice looking leather handled knife.
No problem.
This one has a green canvas micarta handle. The harder steel blade took all the impact well and took all of my weight in both positions. It's put together pretty solid also.
I thought the tang would bend or break and that the guard might have worked loose.
Looked like it chopped pretty decent for it's size and weight too.
dingyu1980
11-26-2009, 07:13 AM
how about the score of that thing , man?
Falcor
11-26-2009, 07:33 AM
Thank you Noss, appreciated. Located half way around the world I tried to stay up to see if I could catch your post first but fell asleep and then had to get to work. I own a couple of Bark River Bravo 2s as well as a couple of big Busses with one more on the way, and I am also a user, so the results were as anticipated as its not advertised as a hard use knife, except for the flex test, that was a surprise.
Having said that, I do like both makes very much with my order being Busse 1st and Buck-Strider 2nd. and Bark River 3rd.
I am actually looking forward to the whining that will come from this, it will be very amusing especially after your comments about some of them, and as you say, put up or shut up.
As for those who say that you are not scientific, they just don't get it - and I say that as a forensic scientist, qualified in the US and UK and holding a Professorship in Forensic Science.
Falcor
11-26-2009, 07:34 AM
Yes - score??? 3.5 to 4??
jankerson
11-26-2009, 09:12 AM
It really looks to be a pretty tough little knife and it did pretty well, worth buying IMO for anyone who wants a smaller fixed blade. :thumb:
And another awesome job testing. :thumb:
miro44one
11-26-2009, 02:59 PM
It actually performed very well, especially considering the size. It' s not really my type of knife though.
Thanks for the awesome test Noss!
wildjim
11-26-2009, 06:39 PM
It seems alright but for a third the price you could buy a Buck 119; which is a better knife in my opinion.
There is a big push to move the Bark River Knives among resellers but they are over priced for what you get as there is nothing special about them in my opinion and I can buy them for less than half retail.
wildjim
11-26-2009, 07:35 PM
Asalv Bengay closed the thread on BladeForums linked to YouTube Knife Test.
What an idiot. . .
Practically all thats left on bladeForums is moronic fanboy's useless commentary.
I posted a link on iKnifeCollector as they do not have the gestapo censorship like BladeForums.
Knife Tests and iKnifeCollector is the only knife forums that makes me feel like I am free in America!
I thought the tang would bend or break and that the guard might have worked loose.
Looked like it chopped pretty decent for it's size and weight too.
Yeah I was looking for this to happen also. The steel is not mailable so it resists bending. It took some sever impacts and didn't break at the blade/tang location.
dingyu1980: It will get at least a 4
Falcor: Good deal. I don't think they have much to whine about but they will do their best to find something.
jankerson: It was pretty tough and put up a good fight. I was surprised it passed the second position on the body weight test. Not a lot of knives can do this.
miro44one: Not my style knife either. I prefer the big ugly ones. :D
wildjim: I just looked at the thread. knifenuts post was typical. They don't mind throwing insults around there but when you come back at them they cry foul and say you can't do that your disrespecting the community. :jerkit: they forget that they just posted 10 reply's of insults themselves. They are thin skinned. I don't hate Blade forums but I don't read it much anymore. There just isn't much there I find of interest these days since it's a lot of repeat topics. I need to check out iKnifeCollector. Thanks Yes your free to express you opinions here. :rockon: I don't like being muzzled so I won't do that to anyone here. I have an open invitation to all my critics as well since day one of the old forum.
Thanks everyone.
Madnumforce
11-27-2009, 05:52 AM
Good job Noss, as usual. Your tests always reveals what we can't test at home, and that's what matters. Anyone can sharpen a knife and see how well it shaves hair, cuts paper or cardboard, but we can't buy pairs of knives, d-testing one to know if we keep or sell the other one. You don't get much information about how well the knife is made from cutting cardboard or newspaper, which leads morrons to prostrate for brands and makers that don't make good knives, but just big, heavy, and extremely expensive scalpels. They don't use it as camp tools, but as currency between "knives" collectors, subjected to the same variations in hype than stock exchange, as there is no real value behind it but just speculation.
This Bark River Boone II seems a good knife, though a bit expensive maybe. The design is good and classic, and there would be no big improvement possible on materials, except a partial tempering on the back of the blade running to the tip, to make it less fragile, as this level of hardness on the spine if not really needed. But it's difficult to achieve on an industrial or semi-industrial scale, and would increase price on this already not cheap knife. On the other hand, maybe convexing the edge is not necessary also, as the knife is too light and short to be used as a chopper, and a simple sabre grind would certainly do the job. For the same size or use, i would prefer some kind of nordic knife, which proved tough though they're relatively cheap. For any serious job: CGFBM whatsoever.
kurodrago
11-27-2009, 06:49 AM
Nice Noss, That small thing did very good.
Near the end of the DT, I can't believe that stand up in both positions without breaking:eek:
The revolution continues:thumb:
culpeper
11-27-2009, 12:30 PM
I loved it. Knife does good and still those pussies can't handle it. I particularly like the come to Jesus meeting part about these pussies on other forums. Good job, Noss. All around good job.
jankerson
11-27-2009, 02:00 PM
I loved it. Knife does good and still those pussies can't handle it. I particularly like the come to Jesus meeting part about these pussies on other forums. Good job, Noss. All around good job.
There are some with an axe to grind so it seems.
will york
12-17-2009, 03:59 PM
Good job Noss, as usual. Your tests always reveals what we can't test at home, and that's what matters...
+1 :thumb:
Thanks Noss. Good performing little utility/hunter. If it wasn't for you, the average man would never know what a tough knife really is--or what a good value is for his hard-earned buck. Helluva service you provide that we enjoy for free.
BTW, is this knife thru-hardened to 58 Rc or was the edge/tip harder than the spine--just if you happen to know.
Great job as always,
Will
Thanks Will. I assume it is through hardened at 58 rc. It acted like this is the case. If there is any difference between spine,edge tip it is on the small side. It would be nice to own a rc tester at times since I can really only guess here.
wildjim
12-18-2009, 09:16 AM
There are some with an axe to grind so it seems.
No axe to grind metaphorically but Esalv Bengay's gestapo commentary and actions on BF irk me and are insufferable!
jankerson
12-18-2009, 03:38 PM
No axe to grind metaphorically but Esalv Bengay's gestapo commentary and actions on BF irk me and are insufferable!
I think it depends on the subject. ;)
dingyu1980
01-10-2010, 04:26 AM
hi, Noss , why not move the test of dark river to the home page?
you must be too busy to do this .:D:D:D:D
Yeah I need to. Between knives,work and a few other ventures I kind of overloaded at the moment.
97guns
01-12-2010, 09:01 AM
this test seems to have hit a soft spot with the maker, he locked up the thread and called you a bafoone and a clown.
http://knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/868961/
culpeper
01-12-2010, 09:35 AM
It's on the verge of a flame war on that thread. So, if you want to buy a good knife from a real dick than Bark River Knives is your man. What's up with these other knife forums? A dollar spent raising Mike's blood pressure is a well dollar spent....:) What does he care what people do with their Bark River knives? It's sold. I think I'll buy a Bravo-1 and get a couple of "pipe hitting niggers" to go after it with a blow torch....:D
this test seems to have hit a soft spot with the maker, he locked up the thread and called you a bafoone and a clown.
http://knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/868961/
First. Welcome to the forum. Second this is old news. Third Mike Stewart is a pretty much known as scum regarding his dealings in the knife industry. I would rather be called a clown than a convicted felon and a thief. Things Mike Stewart is by the way and I'm not making this up it is well documented on the net. He has screwed many makers and designers.
Check out this thread for more details. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=585934
It was funny in the end. Mike Stewart stated on his forum that by the way he censors,deletes, bans locks threads, anyone who dares question him. That that he would not pay back the money he tried to steal from snarlslyer. About 5 days later Mike Stewart was running with his tail between his legs :D and paid back the 16 grand he tried to steal. It was to much for Mike Stewart to handle.:p Every dirty detail on him was being made public and it was all true and he had no where to go.
Another thing is he is a total hypocrite on this testing issue. He spammed every knife forum he could find about how the bravo one survived the mysterious recon unit tests that no one knows any details about other than him but for obvious reasons Mike Stewart isn't talking. He stated they did everything (mystery military recon unit) they could to destroy the knives and put the knives through real hard use abuse. He had no problem spamming this to sell his knives. :jerkit: but yet at the same time calls me a clown for it. :jerkit::jerkit::jerkit:
So Mike Stewart can FUCK off as far as I'm concerned. I'll test his knives fair as I did with the Boone II they face what every other knife faces. If he doesn't like it well to bad. I don't do it for the makers anyways.
97guns
01-12-2010, 03:23 PM
thanks for the welcome, i am a fan of brkt and hang out at knifeforums quite a bit. i have seen a few posts by mike that led me to believe that he thinks his shit doesn't stink. i never wanted to pass judgement but my gut may have sensed something. nice place you have here.
trib trekker
01-20-2010, 07:49 PM
Ah, now it's starting to add up! I mean they're sturdy knives, all in all, but come on. If I hadn't gotten mine (Bravo-1) for a reduced cost, I wouldn't have it at all. Still waiting for some jar heads to admit they love it more than any other. Man, how did real life get to always be a soap opera?? Maybe I just need to get back to the woods and kill somethin'! A bottle of Captain Morgan will do..
What was everyone so up in arms about. From my brief watch of the vid, a relatively small (compared to other knives tested here) hunting knife did pretty well. I must ask Noss, was this knife claimed to be a tough, do-all blade meant for hard use?
me2: No. It's not marketed as a hard use blade. It did well though and hung in with the knives that are marketed for hard use. It did better than the Ranger RD7. A knife defiantly marketed for hard use.
Joshua J.
02-19-2010, 10:53 AM
It's surprising Mike dislikes the test? He "seems" straightforward enough that I was hoping for some kind of response.
Oh well. The opinion of the maker isn't important (I wish it were, too bad no-one is willing to discuss results).
No you won't get anything out of him except bitching and name calling.
A few makers have been willing to talk about it without throwing a fit but just a few.
The ironic thing is this site has sold plenty of knives for many of the same makers who spit on this site. I always find it funny how they say this site destroys makers when in reality many times they profit from it. Kind of hard to destroy them when they make money from it. :confused: :jerkit: So this weak argument they like to stick to has no bounds in reality. If the knives do well and many have, people tend to buy them as evident from posts all over the net. I'm pretty sure this Boone II test has sold a few for Bark River based on comments I have read on forums concerning this test. If the Bravo one does well it will sell some more also. Even some of the knives that haven't done well and I would never buy myself have sold. People see what they want to see out of it. Many times it's just about the exposure. This alone can get people to think about a knife and consider it or not. Sometimes this is all it takes. This site is just one of many sites now all over the net giving makers tons of free press that they could never afford to pay for.
culpeper
02-19-2010, 11:06 PM
If Mike has the internal control he will and has censored anything related to these tests. "Control" being the key word. He can't control Noss but will delete anything related to him if Mike happens to have a delete button that will work.
kurodrago
02-19-2010, 11:45 PM
What you talking about exposure:eek: They exposure the beauty of it!:D
I don't think Mike Stewart goes anywhere he doesn't have a working delete button. His reputation for deleting,banning,locking threads is notorious. He and Phildo boy should get together since they both love playing space invaders with forum members who don't agree with them.
jankerson
02-20-2010, 06:20 AM
I don't think Mike Stewart goes anywhere he doesn't have a working delete button. His reputation for deleting,banning,locking threads is notorious. He and Phildo boy should get together since they both love playing space invaders with forum members who don't agree with them.
Don't get why he has such problems with people disagreeing with him... :jerkit:
I don't own any of his blades and likely never will, I don't like people who think they are prima donnas. :rolleyes:
kurodrago
02-21-2010, 08:34 AM
In my opinion Busse SAR5 is much better knife than Bravo1 without hesitation about it, with a better structure all around.
jankerson you sound so Italian.
jankerson
02-21-2010, 08:38 AM
In my opinion Busse SAR5 is much better knife than Bravo1 without hesitation about it, with a better structure all around.
jankerson you sound so Italian.
Really, you think so!!!!!!! :eek:
Paul The Brit
02-21-2010, 05:53 PM
There are three main problems with Busse Combat (in my opinion!);
1/ no sheath supplied. If you don't live in the USA getting a good seperate sheath as a major PITA. In the end a forum friend made me one for my BATAC CG. Jerry should offer an optional basic kydex sheath with evey knife design from the factory. (The Basic 7 kydex sheath is superb!!)
2/ damn, most Busse knives are ugly! My Bravo 1 looks better/nicer/higher quality than any of my Busse-kin knives... If you don't know about INFI, Busse (CG mainly) look cheap and nasty.
3/ micarta. (For example) Try chopping something with a Busse BATAC and then with a Scrapyard S6... The res-C handle on the S6 is so much nicer to chop with as it soaks up the hits. I'm glad both Dan and Jerry Busse make knives, but for me it's one of Dan's knives every time I pick a carry.
I would trust my BATAC a lot more than my Bravo 1 in hard use though.
There are three main problems with Busse Combat (in my opinion!);
1/ no sheath supplied. If you don't live in the USA getting a good seperate sheath as a major PITA. In the end a forum friend made me one for my BATAC CG. Jerry should offer an optional basic kydex sheath with evey knife design from the factory. (The Basic 7 kydex sheath is superb!!)
2/ damn, most Busse knives are ugly! My Bravo 1 looks better/nicer/higher quality than any of my Busse-kin knives... If you don't know about INFI, Busse (CG mainly) look cheap and nasty.
3/ micarta. (For example) Try chopping something with a Busse BATAC and then with a Scrapyard S6... The res-C handle on the S6 is so much nicer to chop with as it soaks up the hits. I'm glad both Dan and Jerry Busse make knives, but for me it's one of Dan's knives every time I pick a carry.
I would trust my BATAC a lot more than my Bravo 1 in hard use though.
I'm just one of those who likes the ugly knives over the pretty ones. :D
jankerson
02-22-2010, 07:24 AM
Busses are Ugly.... :confused:
I don't get it....
http://photocamel.com/gallery/data/2436/medium/DSC_3899.JPG (http://photocamel.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=58744)
http://photocamel.com/gallery/data/2436/medium/DSC_3773.JPG (http://photocamel.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=57686)
http://photocamel.com/gallery/data/2436/medium/DSC_3665.JPG (http://photocamel.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56859)
http://photocamel.com/gallery/data/2436/medium/DSC_3481.JPG (http://photocamel.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=54433)
http://photocamel.com/gallery/data/2436/medium/DSC_3468.JPG (http://photocamel.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=53572)
http://photocamel.com/gallery/data/2436/medium/DSC_3330.JPG (http://photocamel.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=52043)
http://photocamel.com/gallery/data/2436/medium/DSC_3228.JPG (http://photocamel.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=50359)
Compared to yours mine are ugly but that's the way I like them. Knives I mean not girls. :D
jankerson
02-22-2010, 11:09 AM
Compared to yours mine are ugly but that's the way I like them. Knives I mean not girls. :D
Some of them don't look so perfect under different lighting. :D
kurodrago
02-22-2010, 11:10 AM
Really, you think so!!!!!!! :eek:
100% positive, SAR5 SAR4 any day of the week; If BUSSE stop the Monipoli stock market game!
I'm not talking about money here, the value is OK!
Paul The Brit
02-22-2010, 05:42 PM
Ok Jankerson- I'll happily admit your BWM looks cool, but the rivets holding the handle scales on and the general rough finish of the CNC'd micarta I and many others have experienced, just doesn't reflect the semi custom price tag of Busse knives! The money Jerry charges for his knives means satin or double cut (bead blasted) should be a no cost option... Many other manufacturers produce their knives in satin or full polish at a fraction of Busse money. (Yes I know INFI is a propritry steel and it's not cheap!!) While I am aware the rivet tubes are highly functional they just look cheap and nasty compared to the Corby bolts on a Bravo 1. (Or the bolts of the SHBM!)
Now in fairness and so I'm not accused of being a Busse basher (all my users are Busse of some sort) if Jerry made a 7" bladed (1/4" thick stock) version of the BWM in double cut or satin with black paper micarta or black G10 and brought it in at a vaguely sane price I'd buy that in a heart beat! ;)
Paul The Brit
02-22-2010, 05:46 PM
Compared to yours mine are ugly but that's the way I like them. Knives I mean not girls. :D
All my favourite knives are ugly (S6, DFCG, Basic 7 etc)- I've beat the pretty off 'em.. Girls are much better pretty and should not be beat! :D
jankerson
02-22-2010, 06:41 PM
Ok Jankerson- I'll happily admit your BWM looks cool, but the rivets holding the handle scales on and the general rough finish of the CNC'd micarta I and many others have experienced, just doesn't reflect the semi custom price tag of Busse knives! The money Jerry charges for his knives means satin or double cut (bead blasted) should be a no cost option... Many other manufacturers produce their knives in satin or full polish at a fraction of Busse money. (Yes I know INFI is a propritry steel and it's not cheap!!) While I am aware the rivet tubes are highly functional they just look cheap and nasty compared to the Corby bolts on a Bravo 1. (Or the bolts of the SHBM!)
Now in fairness and so I'm not accused of being a Busse basher (all my users are Busse of some sort) if Jerry made a 7" bladed (1/4" thick stock) version of the BWM in double cut or satin with black paper micarta or black G10 and brought it in at a vaguely sane price I'd buy that in a heart beat! ;)
7" bladed would be that ball park. ;)
There is going to be a midsized blade going up on the main Busse site in the near future so keep you eyes open. They are going to have 3 blades up at all times soon, one small, med and Large.
Might want to really start watching the site and or the Busse BF Forum.
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