More cheap ass knives!

[G. Scott H.]

Ya know, this may sound demented and wrong, but with the great success of the CTD knives I'd actually like to see Noss do some tests on other cheap knives. Also, not just cheap knives, but knives that may cost a few bucks, but would still be laughed off a place like BF or KF. Here's some ideas:

http://www.eknifeworks.com/webapp/eCommerce/product.jsp?Mode=Text&SearchText=bad&SKU=UC2526
http://www.eknifeworks.com/webapp/eCommerce/product.jsp?PriceEnd=&order=Default&CatalogName=&range=151&list=50&Feature=&SearchText=&Mode=Brand&Brand=46&PriceStart=&SKU=FRHK931145GW
http://www.eknifeworks.com/webapp/eCommerce/product.jsp?PriceEnd=&order=Default&CatalogName=&range=151&list=50&Feature=&SearchText=&Mode=Brand&Brand=46&PriceStart=&SKU=FRCW261W
(http://www.eknifeworks.com/webapp/eCommerce/product.jsp?PriceEnd=&order=Default&CatalogName=&range=151&list=50&Feature=&SearchText=&Mode=Brand&Brand=46&PriceStart=&SKU=FRCW261W)
http://www.eknifeworks.com/webapp/eCommerce/product.jsp?Mode=Text&SearchText=HTF&SKU=GH5001

Some (or all) of them may fail miserably, but it sure would be fun to see just how well (or poorly) they do. :cool:

P.S. No! I am not intoxicated or off my medication! :D

P.P.S. One more:

http://www.boker.de/us/index.php?c=3000&a=02GL1426&s1=bowie&s2=0&s3=9999&p=&pp=0

[Gman1128]

I'm definitely with you here,it would be very interesting to see how some of these cheaper usually low quality knives would do.

[elpidi]

I noticed a lot of the knives were 420 Stainless, which obviously means less carbon and a lower grade (I doubt very seriously these would stand up as well as the CheaperThanDirt Rough Use), but I would still love to see these go through the KnifeTests demolition course.

[G. Scott H.]

Yep, three of the knives I posted are 420J2, which is part of what interests me. No doubt 420J2 is considered the bottom of the barrell of cutlery grade steels and is so often dismissed as pure crap that I'd like to see just how terrible (or not) it really is. I think the Frost knives are 440A or the Chinese equivalent. Frost even sells their own versions of the CTD knives Noss tested. Who knows, they may be from the same factory as the CTDs?

[Izan]

Dude, that blade in the first link looks bad ass. I might have to get one!

[Noss]

That Boker magnum bowie looks nice an it's inexpensive. I may get one of these an try it out.

[G. Scott H.]

Izan: I've been strongly considering getting one for myself. It has sort of a Ranger/Busse look to it. Very cool! :cool:

Noss: That Boker Magnum bowie is another one I really have an interest in. United Cutlery makes an identical one too. I don't know if they're by the same manufacturer or not, though.

[Bkultra]

I noticed a lot of the knives were 420 Stainless, which obviously means less carbon and a lower grade (I doubt very seriously these would stand up as well as the CheaperThanDirt Rough Use), but I would still love to see these go through the KnifeTests demolition course.

Carbon increases the strength of the steel but decreases toughness.

[G. Scott H.]

I'd expect the 420 knives to be very tough and pass many of the more abusive tests, probably bending rather than breaking. The thing I'm most interested in seeing is how they would do on the chopping, batoning, and point tests. Will they be so soft that the edges and tips will almost immedeately roll, bend, or otherwise deform, or will they be able to actually handle these tasks? I'm not suggesting that the various 420s are great steels. It's just that they are so maligned that I've mostly avoided blades made from them, but I haven't really seen much actual hardcore testing done on them.

[Gman1128]

I'm confused, how does carbon increase strength while decreasing toughness? Don't you need to have one in order to have the other? :confused:

Btw welcome to the forum Bkultra:D

[xxo]

I thought this might be an interesting cheapie to test:

http://www.eknifeworks.com/webapp/eCommerce/product.jsp?Mode=Brand&Brand=77&SKU=M01230

[Man of Iron]

1 word/multiple injuries - QVC knives :D:D:D

PS never knew Meyerco could be that cheap, if it's genuine

[G. Scott H.]

1 word/multiple injuries - QVC knives :D:D:D

That's what I mean. That's how people see knives like these, so we never really get any decent tests or reviews on them, since most "knife people" avoid them at all costs. You could be totally right. Noss might take his first swing at the 2x6 and snap the blade off on one of these knives (don't worry, Noss is amply protected: mask, gloves, heavy long sleeves :D). That's what I'm curious to see. :cool:

[Bkultra]

I'm confused, how does carbon increase strength while decreasing toughness? Don't you need to have one in order to have the other? :confused:

Btw welcome to the forum Bkultra:D

The knifemaker will be making a tradeoff of strength versus toughness. Generally speaking, within the hardness range that the steel performs well at, as hardness increases, strength also increases, but toughness decreases. This is not always strictly true, but as a rule of thumb is generally accurate. In addition, it is possible for different heat treat formulas to leave the steel at the same hardness, but with properties such as toughness, wear resistance, and stain resistance significantly differing.

Strength
: The ability to take a load without permanently deforming. For many types of jobs, strength is extremely important. Any time something hard is being cut, or there's lateral stress put on the edge, strength becomes a critical factor. In steels, strength is directly correlated with hardness -- the harder the steel, the stronger it is. Note that with the Rockwell test used to measure hardness in a steel, it is the hardness of the steel matrix being measured, not the carbides. This, it's possible for a softer, weaker steel (measuring low on the Rockwell scale) to have more wear resistance than a harder steel.

Toughness
: The ability to take an impact without damage, by which we mean, chipping, cracking, etc. Toughness is obviously important in jobs such as chopping, but it's also important any time the blade hits harder impurities in a material being cut (e.g., cardboard, which often has embedded impurities).

[Gman1128]

Oh, it makes much more sense now, I'd always thought that there was much less difference between strength and toughness. Thanks for clarifying.

[sharpshooter996]

You guys are genius :D or should I be on some meds, Lol A couple of those do look bad ass. very interesting.

[G. Scott H.]

Powerful psychotropics and sharp objects are always a fun and interesting combination. I might start a new forum. How does Meds n' Blades sound? :cool::D :p