Next..dual survival

[kurodrago]

Experts agree there are some very basic - and universal - rules for surviving in the wild. Find shelter, find water, find food, find help. Beyond that, there's not much they agree on. Meet military-trained Dave Canterbury and naturalist Cody Lundin - trained survival experts featured in Discovery Channel's all-new 10-part series DUAL SURVIVAL. Together, Canterbury and Lundin take on some of the planet's most unforgiving terrain to demonstrate - in their own way - how the right skills and some creative thinking can keep you alive.

http://press.discovery.com/us/dsc/programs/dual-survival/

Can someone make a DVD copy & send to me:confused::D

[Carney]

Experts agree there are some very basic - and universal - rules for surviving in the wild. Find shelter, find water, find food, find help. Beyond that, there's not much they agree on. Meet military-trained Dave Canterbury and naturalist Cody Lundin - trained survival experts featured in Discovery Channel's all-new 10-part series DUAL SURVIVAL. Together, Canterbury and Lundin take on some of the planet's most unforgiving terrain to demonstrate - in their own way - how the right skills and some creative thinking can keep you alive.

http://press.discovery.com/us/dsc/programs/dual-survival/

Can someone make a DVD copy & send to me:confused::D

That looks pretty cool bro!

[kurodrago]

I don't know how to put, Dave Canterbury, Cody Lundinbut I don't understand this combination over the two?:confused::D
Both are completely different:rolleyes: Mast be reason?

[Noss]

I don't know how to put, Dave Canterbury, Cody Lundinbut I don't understand this combination over the two?:confused::D
Both are completely different:rolleyes: Mast be reason?

This is the purpose of show. They are different and have different ideas about the subject. They sort of want them to fight on camera. :D Dave Canterbury
explained this in one of his videos. It should be interesting to watch.

[trib trekker]

Cody will kick Dave's ass if wilderness survival is the only issue. If commando survival comes into play, maybe Dave will have an edge. Cody lived in a wikkiup for 2 years while going to college. He didn't have a backpack, bedroll or firesteel. Take away Dave's gear and he's toast, like most of us!

[Noss]

Cody will kick Dave's ass if wilderness survival is the only issue. If commando survival comes into play, maybe Dave will have an edge. Cody lived in a wikkiup for 2 years while going to college. He didn't have a backpack, bedroll or firesteel. Take away Dave's gear and he's toast, like most of us!

I agree. :thumb:

[wildjim]

Did some reading about Cody Lundin. I like his underground off the grid home. It should be an interesting show.

http://www.codylundin.com/

I guess its alright for Dave Canterbury to tag along ; )

http://www.wildernessoutfittersarchery.com/

[wildjim]

I am suprised the Discovery Channel didn't grab Ron and Karen Hood instead of Dave Canterbury.

I guess Dave "Pathfinder" Canterbury provides the radical military contrast to Cody Lundin's practical sensibility.

It'll be interesting but I'd rather watch someone other than Dave "Pathfinder" Canterbury as i've read some of his stuff that doesn't add up correctly for me. I believe Dave's primary interest is the cash.

[kurodrago]

Sarvival money...Cash for cash Tom Brown is hard to bit:D

[kurodrago]

Hoo... boy the fight already:D:rockon:
I will not wear my shoes too:p:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inarly_Z_70&playnext_from=TL&videos=MZv2b5HKIPI&feature=sub

[The Tourist]

I like his underground off the grid home.

Stuff like this confuses me, and mires the message.

He's an "off the grid" survivalist with a website.

Mel Tappan once opined that he wanted to build his dream-home more than one tank of gas away from populated areas. His reasoning was that in times of a crisis the homeless, starving masses would descend on people with big larders of food.

If the entire 'www' knows he's out in the world with food, power, weapons and potable water, just how long do you think he will survive?

[Noss]

"nature bush hippie crap" that was funny :thumb::rockon:


Sometime these survival types do contradict themselves. I've seen so called survivalists post photos with a GPS unit in the background then they rant about how wrong and taboo it is to use a cigarette lighter to start a fire. :rolleyes::jerkit:

[wildjim]

Stuff like this confuses me, and mires the message.

He's an "off the grid" survivalist with a website.

Mel Tappan once opined that he wanted to build his dream-home more than one tank of gas away from populated areas. His reasoning was that in times of a crisis the homeless, starving masses would descend on people with big larders of food.

If the entire 'www' knows he's out in the world with food, power, weapons and potable water, just how long do you think he will survive?

I agree if I were off the grid I wouldn't document it online!

It is possible to have anonymous internet access.

The movie "The Road" depicts similar events.

Stealth is everything!

Guns and ammunition are paramount!

http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/2009/10/retreats-and-relocation.html

[Noss]

Interesting documentary.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/louis-theroux-survivalists/

[The Tourist]

I do know a local survivalist, and while he was Caucasian he greatly admired the Native American culture.

With great care he acquired/traded/made a full set of teepee lodge poles and actually moved into the structure for several years. In other words, he lived the real experience.

The structure on the website looks to me like an upscale townhouse for yuppies. Even considering only the cost of materials excluding labor he might have provided by "sweat equity," I doubt a guy raised by wolves could come close to affording something like this.

Edit: BTW, I do have a male/female plug on both my bikes. I use it for what's called a "battery tender." (See Harley's website). I do not use it for a heated vest or a computer lap-top. Yikes, this wannabee stuff offends me in every facet of society, and sometimes I feel tarred by the same brush.

[kurodrago]

Interesting documentary.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/louis-theroux-survivalists/

Nice documentary, Man..that was deep:D

[wildjim]

Interesting documentary.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/louis-theroux-survivalists/


Louis Theroux is a pecker head, there I said it!

I watched a documentary from him about African game farm hunting, he cried when they shot an animal, he's super goofy!

He like to antagonize people until they want to hit him. UK passive antagnonist Jerry Springer clone. . .

[The Tourist]

pecker head...cried when they shot an animal

You are probably right about that individual.

The woman who sang at my wedding is a better hunter than her husband. Considering the size of the racks and meat she brings home she could probably teach a class on archery and lever guns.

Having said that, there are many times she has broken down and cried over a downed deer.

I, too, bristle at false piety. I don't waste things and pollute as I did as a younger man. I value things in nature as never before.

But sometimes things just overwhelm me. Usually it's a situation where innocent things suffer, or some idiot uses that suffering to bolster his ego.

First I get mad at the abuser, but yes, I cry for the victim.

[wildjim]

You are probably right about that individual.

The woman who sang at my wedding is a better hunter than her husband. Considering the size of the racks and meat she brings home she could probably teach a class on archery and lever guns.

Having said that, there are many times she has broken down and cried over a downed deer.

I, too, bristle at false piety. I don't waste things and pollute as I did as a younger man. I value things in nature as never before.

But sometimes things just overwhelm me. Usually it's a situation where innocent things suffer, or some idiot uses that suffering to bolster his ego.

First I get mad at the abuser, but yes, I cry for the victim.

In my experience if you hang around whimpering long enough sure as shit stinks you'll be the next victim!

[Noss]

Louis Theroux is a pecker head, there I said it!

I watched a documentary from him about African game farm hunting, he cried when they shot an animal, he's super goofy!

He like to antagonize people until they want to hit him. UK passive antagnonist Jerry Springer clone. . .

He is goofy but I still like some of his documentaries. There I said it !! :D

[The Tourist]

In my experience if you hang around whimpering long enough sure as shit stinks you'll be the next victim!

Well, do I look like a victim to you?

My position is that bravado is one element of tenacity that is wasted energy. There is simply no reason for building yourself up by tearing something down. We have many sayings like "money cannot buy happiness." If that is so, than our feelings would seem more valuable than a yacht.

Every real idiot I know spends far too much personal capital as defining himself and his ego at the cost of everything else in his life. And ya' know, everyone smirks behind his back. If the dude shows up in a brand new F-350, we all wonder if his 'garage' is where he chooses to succeed because of his failures in the 'bedroom.'

I showed that to myself. Even my bikes are getting smaller!:D

Heck, if you cannot become passionate about your participation in life, what exactly is going to light your fire? As stated, when I turned sixty I decided to dump all of this macho BS. There are things that break my heart--most of the time there's the same kind of idiot as the cause.

[kurodrago]

Whats goin on? someone has seen it already? it's worth / or not? To much hepy?:D:rockon:

[The Tourist]

I kind of get the vibe it's like "Wife Swap," but with poison ivy.

Either they take two diverse personalities and pair them up, or they advertise it to make you think so. Big whup. Any decent manager hires numerous employees with differing skills. I mean, would you buy a box of crayons if all twenty of them were purple?

If you like the concept, I'd watch it fast. I don't think it's going to be on the air that long.

[kurodrago]

The SHTF is coming you know:jerkit:
We must learn:D
Tourist, did you watch it?:D any view?

[The Tourist]

Tourist, did you watch it?:D any view?

Seen the ads, checked the websites. Looks like guys wanting to make a buck.

I have basic cable. There are 104 channels, nothing on. I watched "Medium" and sharpened a Strider. Sold a santoku and made 114 bucks. I don't know how much more of "reality" you can get. I've been listening to the radio more.

[kurodrago]

Seen the ads, checked the websites. Looks like guys wanting to make a buck.

I have basic cable. There are 104 channels, nothing on. I watched "Medium" and sharpened a Strider. Sold a santoku and made 114 bucks. I don't know how much more of "reality" you can get. I've been listening to the radio more.

Last night a babysitter my son " true+reality":thumb:
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac95/kurolupo/IMG_4182-1.jpg

[The Tourist]

Last night a babysitter my son " true+reality"

Not to hijack, but this dovetails into my belief about guys who can really throw a punch.

A real guy doesn't need to bolster his ego. His honest past is known by all. He doesn't start his own website, award himself a ficticious MA belt or walk around with a Bowie knife.

I once answered a post stating that I was "folding laundry." It was true. My wife works, I am retired with a very flexible schedule and I do housework. I also bought a Dyson vacuum cleaner because we have allergies, and I'm good at that particular chore. I want my wife to fully recuperate from that surgery (and it's a two year stretch.) I do dishes and put away left-overs while she rests after eating.

At a very real level, I believe a real tough guy takes on any challenge, be that a mugger or taking out the trash for his family.

So Kurodrago, in a world where many guys are "absentee fathers" or beat their wives, I think a dad who babysits shows the mark of a true man, engaging in life to the full degree.

And I think more of you now than if you'd had shown me all of your 'safe queens.'

[kurodrago]

For those who could not see it:thumb:
You can see it here:)

http://www.youtube.com/user/DualSurvival

[wildjim]

Interesting. . .

Dave Dimwit sucks! Running around like chicken little!

I'll go with Cody's practical philosophy and science approach; although Cody couldn't talk me out of my boots as unlike Dimwit Dave I know my proper boot size ; )

[kurodrago]

I will go with Dave, he just make more sense than Cody to me.
Though I read Cody book, 98" very good book indeed "smart guy", but I can't get is philosophy.
In the other hand Deve strategics tactics is simple to understand & accomplish.
TheY fights to make a point out, of what you should not do:)

[wildjim]

Dimwit Dave is still waiting for a log to fall on a squirrel while Cody found food right away.Also Cody's shelter is ingenious, Dave can't even get a grip on the concept.

Ain't no way I'd follow Dave's advice in a real survival situation. Dave's application of dead fall traps are a joke.

[kurodrago]

Dave's application of dead fall traps are a joke.

Cody, took with him a few pair of exstra socks..is a joke!
Damn...is just a show:D

[The Tourist]

Unless I know the guy, and clearly understand the application, I do not trust my life to any mortal man.

Thirty years ago a young American mercenary had been hired by the Saudi Royal Family to teach their soldiers how to bracket mortars. Assuming all desert regions were hot, the mercenary did not take along any warm clothing. He froze the first night. Seeking advice from an old Bedouin, he was advised to "use the camels." At first, the idea seemed absurd, but he was not going to spend another miserable night. In desperation he took a loaded 1911, walked in the paddock, screwed the muzzle into a camel's ear and snarled, "I don't like you, you don't like me, but we are going to be warm tonight!"

When the Bedouin checked on him at dawn, the mercenary smelled like goat and was covered in camel spit. Asking what was wrong, the mercenary snapped, "Well, this was your idea!"

"Oh, no, no, sahib," the Bedouin intoned, "When I told you to 'use the camel,' my advice was to ride to the next town for women and hot chocolate..."

The overall idea applies here. Are these guys truly knowledgeable, or do they just work for scale and look striking on camera? More to the point, would you bet your life on it?

[trib trekker]

For most of us, it's a practical hobby. For some, it's a way to make a few bucks off old military training they would otherwise no longer use. For Cody Lundin, it's his lifestyle. He didn't even have a house until recent years. He never wears shoes, period. It's not a show, or an experiment. I would have a hard time hanging out with him on a training hike with his "new age" philosophy, but I would much rather have his knowledge than have to depend on hardware for survival. What I will be watching for throughout the series, is that the conflicting styles will eventually reveal their strengths as well as weaknesses to the other, and in the end the two will earn eachother's respect. I already like this show better than Bear or Les, because its a lot harder to deal with survival stress when you have opposing personalities to deal with on top of the obvious issues of survival.

[The Tourist]

For most of us, it's a practical hobby.

You just put your finger on the crux of this debate!

If I left the house to take a spin and get a loaf of bread, I would get gas (or take gas money), wear warm clothing, charge my cell phone, and tell my wife my general itinerary. Things like put air in my tires, check my oil, carry ID and pay my life insurance are just a given.

In other words, does my behavior reflect a practical mode of living?

But to get myself lost, devoid of decent clothing, a compass, water, a knife, a map, notification of travel plans and dry socks, but then use supposed 'survival skills,' seems a tad self-serving.

Wouldn't a master of the wilderness prepare himself for that wilderness?

[kurodrago]

Man...Cody approach to survival is like a Doc. The way He explains technical aplications, is sophisticated way to be get "understand" for most common man.

[The Tourist]

The reason that we recognize the act of 'surviving' is that it takes its roots from an emergency or crisis. If I knew a tragedy was "scheduled" I either wouldn't go there or I would take better equipment.

There are hundreds of thousands of wilderness campers and kayakers here in American. Even those eaten by grizzly bears every year is quite small. You have a better chance of winning the lottery or dying from bee stings than you have being killed by a shark. If you really want to fight for your life, move into a neighborhood with heavy gang related violence.

There's an old saying that to laugh at a joke you have to first "buy the bit." For me to have to believe that a "survival specialist" is telling me the truth, you would first have to demonstrate a compelling need based on a substantial number of real people dying.

If you are truly a 'babe in the woods,' the best tool for you is a cell phone or some form of GPS. I do not believe that a knife and loincloth alone do anything, at all. In reality TV, the driving force is to sell advertising.

[kurodrago]

If you are truly a 'babe in the woods,' the best tool for you is a cell phone or some form of GPS. I do not believe that a knife and loincloth alone do anything, at all. In reality TV, the driving force is to sell advertising.

In reality 2+2=4
Indoctrination and advertising go verry well together.
When I go in the woods I always bring a Knife + my cell phone which has incorporated a GPS to.
I'm willing to put down my cell phone any day of week, but not my KNIFE.

[The Tourist]

I'm willing to put down my cell phone.

Not me. While I still carry a knife 24/7, I believe that a cell phone is simply another modern tool for 'survival.'

We take disposable Bic razors and 99 cent lighters for granted. At the turn of the 19th century, 'real men' used straight razors and many people still used flint or kitchen matches. In The Great War they refered to the old metal shavers as "safety razors."

When was the last time you struck a kitchen match?

My wife doesn't make my clothes, I don't raise chickens, I don't beat my clothes on a rock down by the river and I've been known to take penicillin.

Using a cell phone to summon help makes good sense. If you don't like the constant ringing of a cell phone, just switch it off. That I do, as well.

[kurodrago]

Not me. While I still carry a knife 24/7, I believe that a cell phone is simply another modern tool for 'survival.'


I disagree completely.
A cell phone is a communication system Plan and Simple
I have the best money can buy...But 80% of the time when I'm in the woods does not work.
If I put my life into a piece of HighTec I will not go out.
& I can ensure you that, Japanese cells are more sophisticated than American
counterpart.

[The Tourist]

It sounds to me like we might have more cell towers in my area. My phone has never displayed the "no service" message, although I know it has one. And I have an antique phone.

When my provider first offered service in my state, they put their towers along the slab. That pretty much coverd about 75% of users. They have expanded since then.

My wife went on a retreat to our church's campgrounds, and many cells did not work. However, when she walked to the highest point in that camp, she got service.

My friend in Wyoming has a satellite phone. Like all electronics, the first ones were a tad pricey to own and use. Now we can buy them just about anywhere. You might have to order them from your provider, but in a few years it will probably be just another feature, like free long-distance.

I never thought an EFI system would ever be utilized by Harley. Now even their cheapest entry models have it. Businessmen and snobs demand an immediate fulfillment of their wants and desires. At this rate, coffee shops will offer free satellite service.

[kurodrago]

It sounds to me like we might have more cell towers in my area. My phone has never displayed the "no service" message, although I know it has one. And I have an antique phone.


I don't think so, Japan is very small country compared with USA..must of the cells here are satellite capacity as standard use.
When I say 80% of the time when I'm in the woods does not work
Means, if I go to the woods for 10 hours, 8 hours I will be without line; but thi can vary form meter to meter .

[The Tourist]

I pretty much agree, but tecnology keeps rolling along.

My local coffee shop use to only offer two hours of free internet service. Now we have it all day long.

In fact I just told my wife that I don't even wash my bikes as much as in the "old days." Engines are tighter now. And with no misting of oil on the engines, dirt and grime don't stick. I used to bathe my engines in 'gunk' at least once per week. Now we wipe them down with 'Bug Slide,' and not even dust sticks. I spritz a micro-fiber cloth with Bug Slide after I get home, and within ten minutes the bike doesn't even look like it's been ridden.

As for phones, once in a while I pat myself down to see in which pocket I jammed the thing.

Also, I signed up for our local TV station to get weather updates. I did not know I would also receive road closings and breaking news. Over the past few weeks when I return home on the bike, I can tell my wife about news we wouldn't normally hear about until our evening news.

Yesterday we had a derailment to our north, and a gas main blow in a little town to our south. Traffic got snarled in many places. I gerrymanded my riding, and told my wife about the news when I got home.

[Noss]

Interesting to watch. They both brought good ideas to the table. Interesting winter shelter. I'll have to try that some time in the winter. I always carry two of those space blankets in my kit. I sure as hell couldn't stand to be without my boots though. But I guess it's cool to see how you could get by without them. In a real survival situation that happens quick you may have no time to find or put on your boots.

[Jmd]

I saw the one with the winter shelter and wasn't sure if I would watch it again. Tonight I watched the one where they were cave diving and the had to make their way to the ocean (Belize locale) after getting out of the cave. I think I'll watch it again.

I like it better than Survivor Man and Man Against Wild. Having the two ways of dealing with the wild is more interesting and informative--and entertaining. :D

[kurodrago]

I saw the last one...& I really disagree when the commentator says
the first rule of survival is never carry more than you need!?
BS, Pure & Simple....Actually you need to curry more than need until you have the situation under ontrol.
In other words; when you're SET... and you have a clear understanding of situation, then you can begin to waste gear that you don't need!

[xxo]

I saw the last one...& I really disagree when the commentator says
the first rule of survival is never carry more than you need!?
BS, Pure & Simple....Actually you need to curry more than need until you have the situation under ontrol.
In other words; when you're SET... and you have a clear understanding of situation, then you can begin to waste gear that you don't need!

I thought the first rule was be prepared? Never carry more than you need is what gets people into trouble, after all theres no need to carry any survival gear, a first aid kit, extra food, water, or clothing if your not going to use it?

[Jmd]

I saw the last one...& I really disagree when the commentator says
the first rule of survival is never carry more than you need!?
BS, Pure & Simple....Actually you need to curry more than need until you have the situation under ontrol.
In other words; when you're SET... and you have a clear understanding of situation, then you can begin to waste gear that you don't need!

Yes, I think this is the one I watched last night, it was a repeat and don't know if it aired last week or a few hours before---I watched it at 2:00 am.

I was a little surprised at that statement also. When I was in the Army the motto was better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. While this saying does have some merit, it can be a literal pain when you carry your house on your back.

For instance, we had to carry sleeping bags when training in the desert in kali. This added weight seemed rediculous being in the desert and all. I later found out it wasn't rediculous when the sun went down.

The only reason I would think of why he said it was maybe in relation to the scuba tanks and other diving gear that he didn't think they would need in the jungle. I know necessity is the mother of invention but maybe he was thinking that carrying the extra weight would also increase the likelihood of the need of water, using it up faster.

I was dual tasking at the beginning of the show (I think I was reading posts on this site) so I may have missed something. If that is so, the above post should be disregarded...:D

[kurodrago]

However, it seems that Dave Canterbury just jump on the KNIFE BUSINESS....
3 Knive already?:eek: maybe.. Tom Brown, really affected Deve thinking way:confused::D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n7jrOM9GAw&playnext_from=TL&videos=QS9nRF3IXY8&feature=sub
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac95/kurolupo/survk.jpg

[kurodrago]

Dave caught a pig? true or false?


Someone else caught a pig & give to Dave? true or false?

[MonkeyBomb]

According to the video he caught it in a trap.

http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/dual-survival-pork-for-supper.html

[xxo]

Dave caught a pig? true or false?


Someone else caught a pig & give to Dave? true or false?


I was wondering the same thing....they didn't show exactly how the pig got trapped and they flashed the disclaimer about Dave and Cody getting support. :confused:

[kurodrago]

I disclaimer about Dave and Cody getting support. :confused:

Definitively they get support...by the way you don't kill a pig with just one stroke like that:confused:

[MonkeyBomb]

Its heavily edited. I am guessing its not good TV to show someone beating a pig to death with a stick. I would be pretty aggravated if it is staged though.

[wildjim]

I was wondering the same thing....they didn't show exactly how the pig got trapped and they flashed the disclaimer about Dave and Cody getting support. :confused:

Bacon drop off?

I could do that show ; )

Maybe shorts and bare feet if the pork chops keep coming!

[kurodrago]

Its heavily edited. I am guessing its not good TV to show someone beating a pig to death with a stick. I would be pretty aggravated if it is staged though.

Oh yeah, lets leave this doctrine to Hollywood....because no one eats meat & everyone knows how kill a pig...clean it up!

[kurodrago]

Dave take off in the dark of night & Cody doesn't complain anyone:confused::jerkit: What happened to tolerance zero...?