Fehrman Knives

[Shaolin]

I would like to see some of these tested. I have a Thru Hiker and love it. I plan on buying other's as well. Just curious.

[eatingmuchface]

+1
I'd love to see one tested.
:D

[razor sharp]

I have owned dozens of Busse knives starting with buying one of the first 300 when they were actually made. (Directly from the shop) Over the years I have seen sales skyrocket and quality improve slightly, It is a hit or miss with them. I personally feel as if I have been lied to by the maker myself , although I will give the benifit of the doubt. In my opinion the Fehrman Final Judgement would be the overall winner over any of the 9-10 inch bowie type knives that Jerry makes. My reason for this is just using the knives and realizing that the Fehrman knives have a better fit and finish than the Busse knives do, they also exhibit an incredible performance. I thought the lighter narrower blade would make it a little less of a chopper than the Battle Mistresses, but if anything it actually out chops the Busse. In my tests with my friends CGFBM. I sold my two I bought. Because the handles came loose like in the destruction video here. Noss I don't understand how you can just act like it is no big deal? It is hard to chop with a knife like that without a handle. You were abusing yours when your handle came off, but mine and another friends came loose after MILD useage and they encourage abuse. Anyway, sooner or later the truth will come to the surface and I will be here or in the woods when it does. (I spend about 200 days a year in the wilderness, I am 32 years old but retired early because life is too short.

[eatingmuchface]

lied to???
how?

fit and finish isn't a main concern for some but I do hear that fehrmans have a great fit and finish.

The thing I hate, is that every time somone brings up fehrman, some fehrman fan comes and talks about how much better than busse they are (and in all honesty, the only things I've heard is that fehrman has better fit and finish and that busse handles come lose) and I really would love some unbiased testing... (both busse fans and fehrman fans are def. WAYYY too biased IMO)
which is why I'd love to see noss test one. :D

[Macgregor]

I have owned dozens of Busse knives starting with buying one of the first 300 when they were actually made. (Directly from the shop) Over the years I have seen sales skyrocket and quality improve slightly, It is a hit or miss with them. I personally feel as if I have been lied to by the maker myself , although I will give the benifit of the doubt. In my opinion the Fehrman Final Judgement would be the overall winner over any of the 9-10 inch bowie type knives that Jerry makes. My reason for this is just using the knives and realizing that the Fehrman knives have a better fit and finish than the Busse knives do, they also exhibit an incredible performance. I thought the lighter narrower blade would make it a little less of a chopper than the Battle Mistresses, but if anything it actually out chops the Busse. In my tests with my friends CGFBM. I sold my two I bought. Because the handles came loose like in the destruction video here. Noss I don't understand how you can just act like it is no big deal? It is hard to chop with a knife like that without a handle. You were abusing yours when your handle came off, but mine and another friends came loose after MILD useage and they encourage abuse. Anyway, sooner or later the truth will come to the surface and I will be here or in the woods when it does. (I spend about 200 days a year in the wilderness, I am 32 years old but retired early because life is too short.


Wow, what planet are you from.
Not only is your post filled with misinformation it also screams bullshit.

First 300 made?
Jerry didn't make his first knives in a batch of 300, he made neumerous different types of knives starting out and after he stopped working as a college professor.
I can only assume you are talking about the 300 straight handle battle mistresses, but those were not his first knives.
All busse come from Busse itself, except the basic series that was sold on some online stores and the jackhammer which was included in a custom .45 package from Les Baer.
It is a hit or miss?
Busse has the best QC in the world, with a no questions asked warranty.
Infact they are so picky they threw away the first ash-1 they made for me because of a coating issue and started another.
The only busse ever to break was a skelly key which is a very thin narrow knife, and that guy stuck it in a stump and pryed it.
Jerry made him a new one.
Better fit and finish doesn't matter, preformance matters.
Busse knives have great fit and finish, if they don't they are thrown out.
The ergos on Fehrman knives look terrible not only that buy the do not preform like busse knives.
Fehrman knives eather have handles that are to big or to little.
Fehrman knives have chipped out severly under normal use because of over hardening the 3v blade.
You talk about the handles on busse's coming lose, funny how your the only one ever to experiance this in normal use and you can't prove it.
Fehrman uses chicago screws to attatch the handles, these come loose all the time.
Infact I put lok-tight on the screws of all my knives that use chicago screws as I have had them shake lose.

OOOOOOOOO, 200 days in the wilderness.
Just like the dozens and dozens of busses you have, including omg the first 300 he made. :eek:
Quit trying to make yourself sound like an expert because you fail at it.

rant off

[Richard J]

i see jerry has joined the forum :thumb:. welcome jerry :D.

[Jerry Busse]

YOWZA!!!!

Sharp One,

I only recall two handles that came loose since we switched to tube fasteners instead of screws. One had been repeatedly thrown, and after many handle material strikes, one of the tubes was sheared in half. The other blade was pounded into a log and the tubes were bent as the blade proceeded through the log with nowhere for the handles to go. Our thick-walled handle tubes have out performed handle screws all day long in all of our in-house testing. That's why we stopped using handle screws years ago!

As for the rest of your post? Wow! :eek: Sounds like you're campaigning to me.

If you're going to call me a "liar" on a public forum at least have the canoles to post your real name and contact info. I would be more than happy to discuss any questions, concerns, or other libelous accusations that you may have in private. You can email me directly at jerry@bussecombat.com or call me at (419) 923-6471.

Jerry

BTW. . . Killer Cool Forum you have here Noss!!!! . . . . Thanks for the welcome Richard J !!!:rockon:

[Macgregor]

Good to see you here Jerry. :thumbup:

Thanks for making that post, you clear up some stuff I wasn't to sure on.
Maybe razor sharp works for Fehrman because he was saying some pretty amazing stuff in his post.

Anyways, I love the knives you make and hope to be buying more in the future.

-Jed

[eatingmuchface]

It's funny. Jerry, You've had two handles come lose??? because ALL the time all I hear is "busse's handles come off" whenever fehrman is brought up and fehrmans have a better fit and finish and blah blah blah... I wonder if they can think of anything else to say? it sure would mix things up and make it more interesting. :D

I see this everytime fehrman knives come up too!
sounds fishy to me.
I'm not saying fehrman is campaigning, but more that fehrman fans (at least some) feel the need to TRY and bring down busse to make their beloved fehrmans seem better than busse. (cause fehrmans have to be the best of course!)

anyways, thanbks for stopping in Jerry!
:D

[Macgregor]

Knida like crk fans.
"Its just fine as long as you use it like a knife, to cut stuff!"

Yes, because the knife I would chose only to cut is a .255 thick project 1. :rolleyes:

[will york]

Jerry,

Thanks for posting that info. Can you speak to the handle fasteners coming loose in the video of Noss's test of the FFBM? I was surprised that enough force could be translated to the handle slabs by just his gloved hand for them to come loose--of course, I realize he was hammering with a steel mallet which is capable of generating a lot of strike force. But they came loose during the part where he was still hammering the edge into wood--it was before he got to the harder stuff. I was impressed that the Resiprene-C on the Basic 9 and the Scrapper 6 held up without apparent damage through much more hammering through much harder stuff.

Thanks Maestro,
will

PS: For reference, you can see Noss's discovery that the handles had loosened on the FFBM in Part 5 of his destructive testing at about the 4:40 minute mark.

[eatingmuchface]

I'm sure fehrmans are good knives and everything.
just saying.

[Jerry Busse]

Jerry,

Thanks for posting that info. Can you speak to the handle fasteners coming loose in the video of Noss's test of the FFBM? I was surprised that enough force could be translated to the handle slabs by just his gloved hand for them to come loose--of course, I realize he was hammering with a steel mallet which is capable of generating a lot of strike force. But they came loose during the part where he was still hammering the edge into wood--it was before he got to the harder stuff. I was impressed that the Resiprene-C on the Basic 9 and the Scrapper 6 held up without apparent damage through much more hammering through much harder stuff.

Thanks Maestro,
will

PS: For reference, you can see Noss's discovery that the handles had loosened on the FFBM in Part 5 of his destructive testing at about the 4:40 minute mark.

Will,

Thanks for the reference point in the videos!

We haven't had any blades returned for this but I can see where the level of vibration sent through the entire blade by the "madman with a mallet" could literally cause "blade whip" in between the handles. I would have to speculate that this is what caused the issue with Noss's FBM. . . Of course there is always the real possibility that Noss's FBM knew what was in store for it, and it might have just started shaking uncontrollably at the thought of its inevitable demise, which in turn could have caused the same level of blade whip! :eek:

I do know this from our tests. Long before the tubes came loose, all of the handle bolt styles that we have tested would have failed miserably.

Hope this helps,

Jerry :D

[Thecarotidpulse]

Hey Jerry!

Welcome to the forums!


Has anyone told you about the "Noss forums initiation"? When you first join you have to send every existing member a FBM to be considered a full member. We've all done it i swear =D

Anyway I think there is wayy too much accent on putting real names/contact info online. Forums are very public places where a lot of sick people (like Macgregor- crazy scotsman) go... True we're not 12 year olds (for the most part) but still- you'll never see me revealing my contact info on a forum, and not likely more than an alias. I just can't see any reason.

By the way Jerry, this part of the post isn't directed at you... it's justa general post.
The first thing I'd do if I made knives that i believed in and received a negative comment would be to ask myself "is there a chance of this being true?" if there is a chance, even remote, I'd look into using it as constructive criticism. If there wasn't any chance of it being true then i'd reply wiht hard evidence (like Jerry did) and ignore the rest of the post as someone that might be having a bad day.

this is the Internet... It exists because we think it does.

[will york]

... Long before the tubes came loose, all of the handle bolt styles that we have tested would have failed miserably.

Thanks, Jerry. To me it speaks volumes that INFI is so damn near indestructible that the edge is still viable after even the strongest handle slab fasteners in the known universe give up the ghost.

That said, is there any thought in your mind that Resiprene or some other molded substance around a reduced tang may offer a more durable handle option than trying to attach slabs to the outside of a full tang? I have yet to see a reduced tang give way on a Resiprene-handled Busse family knife as tested to destruction by Noss.

Okay, Okay...yes, this is a transparent pitch for Resiprene encased INFI in a big knife. But I WANT it, man--I'm jonesin' here.

Yours in the (thermonuclear molded) grip,
will

[Noss]

Jerry, Welcome to the forum. Thanks for stopping by.

razor sharp
Every blade I have tested with handle screws have all come loose and have falling out early as I recall. The Ranger RD7, The Red scorpion six, Ontario RTAK II. They are very small parts and I usually lost them on the shop floor. Even though I bent a tube on the FFBM first during some hammer impacts the handles stayed in place for a while after this.

There is alot of vibration being directed to the handles during hammer impacts.

I will say my CGFBM handles have not come loose during field use and during some play time in the shop. One thing I did was place a 2x4 vertical in the vice. I chopped it as hard as I could with single swings many times and many different 2x4s , trying to see how far I could bite into it. I gave it everything I had. My handles are still tight. I personally don't worry about them coming loose or falling off during field time.


Here are some Pros and cons of both screws and tubes from my testing.

Screws pros:
They can be tightened easy if you have some tools like a screw drive or Allen wrench.
depending on the type.

screw cons:
They are subject to vibration and if they come out during use, You may loose the small parts, especially in the field. No extra lanyard or lashing holes.

Tube pros:
No parts to lose. Nothing to tighten. No tools needed. Extra lanyard or lashing holes.

Tube cons:
Hard to repair in the field. During extreme use they may bend or shear off due to the force but you should have some warning before the handles fall off.

Both Busse and Fehrman are full tang knives so if the handles came off on both during
extreme use you still have the full tang to grip or wrap with some para cord or something. I know the Busse will survive if it's handles are no longer present. :D

I have yet to test a Fehrman. So I don't know how one will perform under extreme stress ?

I prefer the tubes myself mainly because I have a forward lanyard. :thumb:

[Macgregor]

I find busse magnum handles 1000 times more comfortable then res-c on batoning though.
I have yet to give them the "bucks blood" test, probly with do my CE hell razor and Richard J's neoprene handles in the test in november.
Res-c is still a great handle though, its just too narrow and does not asorb much shock on the top.

Thecarotidpulse, great job explaining the forum initiation and rules to Jerry. :D

[eatingmuchface]

res c is great.
although, yes it doesn't absorb much shock from the top of the handle and when you try to hammer in the back it absorbs too much shock.
It also tears up a little , but nothing that can't be easily fixed. :D

[Macgregor]

I need a mistress, my DFCG is great but I use it to split hardwoods like oak and I walk away with a bruised and painfull hand.
Not good if I was in the woods and needed to use that hand for fine tasks after making my fire.
I has treated my ash-1 hard and have never walked away with a sore hand, my CE HR is even more comfortable.
I prefer res-c for choping though.

[Jerry Busse]

Hey Jerry!

Welcome to the forums!


Has anyone told you about the "Noss forums initiation"? When you first join you have to send every existing member a FBM to be considered a full member. We've all done it i swear =D

Anyway I think there is wayy too much accent on putting real names/contact info online. Forums are very public places where a lot of sick people (like Macgregor- crazy scotsman) go... True we're not 12 year olds (for the most part) but still- you'll never see me revealing my contact info on a forum, and not likely more than an alias. I just can't see any reason.



Thecarotidpulse,

Thanks for the "heads-up" but I'm already familiar with the forum rules of sending everyone an FBM. . . Will York already contacted me about this and explained that he's the one in charge of distribution. . . So, start checking with him near the end of next week and don't stop checking with him on an hour-by-hour basis until he sends yours out to you. . . (He can be a bit greedy, so you'll need to keep buggin' him! :thumb:)

In regards to using real names and contact info., I really don't care until someone starts making vague personal attacks about how they think I may have lied to them. Since I am being publicly accused of something by my real name, I think it's only fair to at least let me know who you are, so that I can respond accordingly.

Noss,

Thanks for the welcome!!!

Will,

In regards to a Resiprene wrapped INFI blade coming out of Busse Combat land. . . .Well, let's just say that it's going to be a while! ;) You might try to locate an original Basic 9. That's about as close as you're going to get to big INFI in Resiprene! Of course, Basic 9s are quite collectable and a bit pricey at this point. I can't imagine anyone letting one go that is in pristine condition. . . and if they did, who would be crazy enough to use it?. . . Oh, yeah,. . . . errrrr. . . .never mind! :rockon:


Jerry :D

[Noss]

I just watched the last parts of the FFBM test again. At the end of the test the handles were still in place. All three tubes were in place. They were loose but in place.

When I got to the bonus round (the tubing ) The FFBM made it through the first section of tubing. The third tube (blade side.) fell out. 2 were still in place. The handles finally fell off the second tubing round.

The knife took 2 hours of hell and it finished the initial tests all in one piece. The handles even held up to the side tang impact test. This was very brutal for the FFBM because I could not break it. Most knives only take a few hits. The FFBM took many because I could not break it. I tried and tried to do so. The handle tubes still held up during this and the handles remained on the knife.

So yeah, other then becoming a little loose. I still completed all the tests with it. As far as I can tell between all the knives I have tested with they type of design ( full tang with two scales, screwed or tubed in place. The FFBM tubes out did all the screw fasteners.

I needed to refresh my memory on this.

[Shaolin]

Welcome Jerry. What has become of my "suppose to be deleted post", LOL It's a dup, this should have been posted to the original in the right section. I love my Bussekin knives, and my Fehrman Thru Hiker.

[will york]

We haven't had any blades returned for this ... (handle fastener failure)

I went back and re-read Jerry's posts, and actually, after all the ridiculously "insensitive" pranks and adventures devised by legions of hogs bashing Busse's for years out there in the real and often surreal world of INFIdom, the above statement cuts to the chase. With the unconditional Busse guarantee offered by Jerry, obviously anyone with a loose tube should feel welcome to send his in for a re-do. And none have...freaking amazing.

Oh, by the way, he only sent me 137 FBM's for distribution and those have all gone out, so if you didn't receive yours, be sure to email him daily at:

jerry@bussecombat.com

As for the Basic 9 being the best big-blade option in Resiprene, I just don't know that I could ever bring myself to use such a valuable collector's item...:D :cool:

[Noss]

I'm supposed to get five of those 137 FBM's. :D

[Noss]

Shaolin: Post deleted.

[Thecarotidpulse]

Man... Now i'm craving a Busse.

I'm thinking some sort of combo along the lines of a FK H1 in 3G steel for cuttability, or If i was rich then an NL5 Idun in Damascus, and a FBM as a well... bomb...

Btw, what's the difference btween "FBM, FFBM, CGFBM (combat grade FBM?)" and all the acronyms?

[Macgregor]

FBM-fusion battle mistress
FFBM-fat fusion battle mistress
FFFBM-flat fat fusion battle mistress
CGFBM- combat grade fusion battle mistress
FBMLE- fusion battle mistress limited edition

There are protos, ergos, and ones with straight handles too.
Now there the NMFBM...
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=575929

[Thecarotidpulse]

Thanks Mac!

I think it's an FFBM i'd want...

[Macgregor]

Thats the one in the test, but all of them are tough as nails.

[Noss]

Moved thread to correct forum.

[Thecarotidpulse]

OMFG NOSS!!!


Ok I LOVE your new avatar!!!!

I say you MUST put it as the Knifetests.com logo and if you print T shirts with it I WILL buy it!!!!!


AWESOME!

[Shaolin]

That avatar does look pretty cool, way to go NOSS!

[Noss]

Thank kiahs. He made it.

[Thecarotidpulse]

*******THANK YOU KIAHS!******** that was inspired.