Fallkniven A2 or some of their NL Series knives

[out5yder]

I can see a Fallkniven A1 tested on this site which has fractured too easy on impacts. The Fallkniven has now a newer model, the A2, which is an A1 on steroids. It has the laminated sides in 420J2 and only the thin core in VG-10 and they say it can stand up under incredible circumstances. Well, I've never seen this steel combination tested seriously and I don't know if it's to be belived or not.

I think it would be very interesting to see it in tests: an A2 or any of the large knifes in their Nothern Lines series (which are made in the same steel combination). I've never seen a 420J2+VG-10+420J2 steel knife hardly tested and neither something similar (like for example the Cold Steel San Mai III knives).

I think many of us want to see this kind of knives under concrete stress to see if the Japanese myth of the multi-layered steel is right or not.

[Thecarotidpulse]

Hey Outryder.... (think you could hide your name with the 5... I've discovered you!) lol jokes...

Anyway welcome to the Forum!

Here are my 2 cents about your suggestion: I'm not quite sure what you meant about the A1 fracturing too easy on impacts... the blade fractured under the weight test, when Noss bounced on it. He weighs 220 pounds (or something in that range) and when bouncing on it that weight was easily doubled according to the principles of physics. Now the Fallkniven website rates the lateral breaking weight of the FK at something in the 400 lb range (not sure, Noss will correct me on that) so mathematically it works out.

I've done some research about the A2 vs the A1, by reading the posts by Peter (the owner of FK who goes on forums by the alias of "VG10"). When the F1 came out, with great success... FK wanted to expand it's market by producing fine quality blades of different sizes.

The A1 had such success that there was much pressure to make a laminated VG10 blade of greater size... a better chopper. The A2 was designed but the initial models proved to be fragile due to the hardness of the VG10. They responded by increasing the spine thickness and other parameters in the knife... and got a Fallkniven grade tool that proved to be just as excellent as the rest.

What i'm saying is that there isnt much difference between the A1 and A2, other than chopping ability.

However, with regards to the NL series. I have already suggested to Noss to test them as they are rather different, what with the thinner blade profile and rat tail tang.

Something else I'd like to see tested (but hugely expensive) is the NL5 Idun knives made of damascus. Here instead of simple laminated VG10 you have layers upon layers of folded and forged steel.

I hope this post is usefull to you.

[kourepai]

I would also like to add that the multilayered katanas have nothing to do with the laminate. The multilayer has to do with the forging technique. Yes, of course katanas are laminated as well, but that is something completely different. Furthermore katanas not meant to stand on them. They are fine weapons that are made for only one thing and that is combat. Finally, I am pretty sure that the A1 that Noss tested was laminated.

[Thecarotidpulse]

you have layers upon layers of folded and forged steel.



Yes the A1 is laminated. Unlike the F1 and H1 it has never been made in solid VG10.

Yes, damascus steel is a truly remarkable forging strategy, you're right it's all in technique (as I meant in my earlier post).

[Noss]

out5yder , kourepai welcome to the forum.

out5yder: The A1 I D-tested was laminated. It didn't fracture on impacts. I broke the outer laminate layer during the body weight test. Then I hammered it through steel again. Hammer impacts were never a problem for the A1.

[out5yder]

Thank you guys!
Yes, Thecarotydepulse, since I posted this topic I have found out the A1 is made from the same materials as the A2, even Fallkniven doesn't specify anything about 420J2 in the specifications of the A1 (this was the fact which hoaxed me to think it is different). It seems the only difference between the two knives is the blade length.

Thank you all for clarifications!

Best Regards!

[dingyu1980]

Thank you guys!
Yes, Thecarotydepulse, since I posted this topic I have found out the A1 is made from the same materials as the A2, even Fallkniven doesn't specify anything about 420J2 in the specifications of the A1 (this was the fact which hoaxed me to think it is different). It seems the only difference between the two knives is the blade length.

Thank you all for clarifications!

Best Regards!

as i know , man. you did a test on A1 in comparing with skinny ash1 , right?

i really like what you did , cool.
thanks