Chris Reeve Knifes without serration

[cutter]

I think the serration was the weak point of the Chris Reeve knifes as far as the "hammer test" is concerned. I´d like to see if Chris Reeve knifes without serration break as easily as they did with a serration. In the clips you could see that the knifes broke always at the same point of the blade.

A test of a non srrated one would show, if Chris Reeve rocks :rockon:, or if you can drop them in the dumps:headbang:

[LoganSackett]

I think that they harden their knives too much. Both the Green Beret and the other one seemed very hard, but extremely brittle. The Strider was also S30V steel, but was tougher than both Chris Reeve knives. I think you may be right about the serrations. They did seem to be more of a problem than a benefit in the hammer test.

[Thecarotidpulse]

With respect Cutter,

I dont' think that redoing a CR knife without serrations would be beneficial. Not to tar all of his knives with the same brush, but ii'm honestly tired of A) seeing knives fail so miserably B)the completely unsportsmanly attitude that the CR followers and the company has taken.


I'm quite content forming an opinion on the CR knives based on what I've seen, and if they change something on their lineup or do something differently I'd like to see that test to see if they've taken in the errors of their ways and made their product better.

Also many knives have been tested (and this is my main argument), and we have found time and time again that serrations don't pose an inherent weakness to the knife.

This is talked about in another thread.. don't remember which one.


I'll look at the tests again, I didn't get the impression that the steel itself was "brittle" as such - the i don't think there was much edge damage when contacting hard materials...
I just think their heat treat is flawed.
Also If they hardened their knives "too much" then they would have great edge retention - whereas CR knives have been found to be bad cutters.

Anyway that's just my opinion, you're welcome to still want to see the test of course :)

[Shaolin]

With respect Cutter,

I dont' think that redoing a CR knife without serrations would be beneficial. Not to tar all of his knives with the same brush, but ii'm honestly tired of A) seeing knives fail so miserably B)the completely unsportsmanly attitude that the CR followers and the company has taken.


I'm quite content forming an opinion on the CR knives based on what I've seen, and if they change something on their lineup or do something differently I'd like to see that test to see if they've taken in the errors of their ways and made their product better.

Also many knives have been tested (and this is my main argument), and we have found time and time again that serrations don't pose an inherent weakness to the knife.

This is talked about in another thread.. don't remember which one.


I'll look at the tests again, I didn't get the impression that the steel itself was "brittle" as such - the i don't think there was much edge damage when contacting hard materials...
I just think their heat treat is flawed.
Also If they hardened their knives "too much" then they would have great edge retention - whereas CR knives have been found to be bad cutters.

Anyway that's just my opinion, you're welcome to still want to see the test of course :)

I agree with this. I think the CR knives are over-hype and over-priced.

[cutter]

Thanks a lot for quoting your opinion. I also think that something is wrong with these knifes. And whatever it is, they got to improve them or take less money for them. If I was at CR knifes it would be a question of honour for me to do anything that makes the knifes pass your tests.

What knifes would you think of nearly "indestructable"? I also got a Gerber Silver Trident, a Spyderco Forager and a Cold Steel Magnum Tanto San Mai. I know because of tests I saw that the Cold Steel is very tough but I don`t know tests about my Spyderco and my Gerber knife. Do you have experience with those knifes or did you see them in a test? I cutted and chopped around in the woods and the did quite well, but I didn`t do tests like those shown on this page.

Would be great to hear from you.

[Shaolin]

Hi Cutter,

Check out Busse Combat, Scrap Yard, Swamp Rat knives.

[AJstrike]

I Am also interested how the Gerber Silver Trident would hold up . :thumb:

[Noss]

AJstrike: Welcome to the forum.:thumb:

[miro44one]

I' m also pretty sure that Chris Reeve simply does something wrong when heat-treating their fixed blade, I don' t think the serrations were the reason for the miserable failure we saw when Noss tested them.
Don' t get me wrong, I love Chris Reeve folders(No I don' t won one, but have handled several), but the fixed blades are really no good.

Oh and I' d also be really interested in a D-test on the Spyderco Forager;)

[Noss]

Yeah I'm still unsure about serration causing quick failure. I have beat the hell out of some knives with then that never broke at the serrations and have beat the hell out of a few knives with saws on the spine and I couldn't get them to fail.

[Madnumforce]

With respect Cutter,
Also If they hardened their knives "too much" then they would have great edge retention - whereas CR knives have been found to be bad cutters.


Not necessary. If you heat too much, depending on the steel, you can also make the grain bigger, thus loosing lot of the edge qualities. Too hot hardening, and too few tempering, in my opinion: brittle and bad cutter. But there may be another explanation. On the Project 1, and other similar CR monopiece knives, the steel used is very thick compared to a normal, flat, full tang one. The "fibers" of the steel aren't as much oriented, and there may be more weaknesses, considering the steel have not been as much pressed and forced between the laminating wheels. Schrade seems to have quite well dealed with it, though.

But for the Green Beret, this is very surprising, so this is maybe that he takes the blades in the steel band such as the fibers are "across" the length of the blade, and not along as it should be. I don't try to take defense of Chriss Reeve, but i just can't believe you can really sell a 200$ knife heat-treated just like a pig. You must be some kind of unaware person, someway "simple", you can't be a proper knifemaker knowing his art.