Cost into consideration

[TheGame]

Before you read this, I want to get this off of my head first ..

I am not suggestion the final rating be changed on any of the knives, just a place to put an alternated rating

Each of the knives that are tested, are tested doing basically the same stuff. However, price doesn't seem to factor into the rating. If price were factored in, some knives would have a higher rating, maybe some a lower rating (?) am I correct?

By this, I mean the standards of a $100 knife are higher than that of a $10 dollar knife. And if you do a D test on both, and they do just about the same, they will get the same rating. However, price isn't factored in. If you were to factor in the price, the cheaper knife should get a better rating because you got the same out of a $10 dollar knife as you did the $100 dollar knife.

Price usually means better quality. So, therefore $100>$10. However, if a $10 dollar knife does just as well as the $100, than $100=$10. (Not in value of $, in value of the knives-doing).

Even if you don't do a seperate place, is it possible for maybe a seperate thread or something? I believe it would be extremely interesting to see the ratings if they had a price factored in. Though, I do NOT want the ratings on them to change overall. Just a 'secondary' rating with price factored in.

I know most will probably disagree, I just thought it to be a good idea.

[zenlifter]

Like a Return On Investment Destruction Rating huh? Something along those lines.

[TheGame]

Not exactly sure I understand that, but it sounds like what I want,

An example would be maybe the CTD Rough Use Knife got a 4.5, right? Say a $120 knife got the same rating overall. Because they got the same rating, but the CTD is a lot cheaper, the CTD would get a higher rating in that rating system.

Like that?

[LoganSackett]

A good example of this would be the Strider and the Cold Steel Recon Tanto. Same rating, but the Strider cost a heck of a lot more. Therefore, the Cold Steel gives you a better value.

I don't know how this could be implemented in the rating system. Maybe if Noss just posts the price along with the rating. That might help show which is a better value.

[eatingmuchface]

I think this would start to get confusing.
I like the straight up ratings we have now.
this could get complicated and confusing... for me at least.

the price is on the knifetest page, so you can draw the conclusions for your self, and thats how I think it is intended to be, right?

[TheGame]

I wasn't saying change the initial rating. Leave that as as, and change nothing on the pages. Just make a seperate thread with it in it.

Take the Strider and CS knife as mentioned. Because the CS has a better value, maybe give it a 6 and the strider a 4, even though they did the same. Just make sure that people know that the rating system on the forum is including price, while overall rating isn't.

[sharpshooter996]

Hmm, this is an interesting thought. I like watching all of the knives tested to see exactly how they perform, nothing beats video. The prices are only listed for some of the knives tested. I do see how having a value figure would be beneficial. I sure Noss will give his comment to this.

It would also be nice to see a general use review on every knife before it is destructed. This would give the best of both worlds and really make the tests complete. I do however realize how much time this would take. Just a thought to ponder. ;)

[xxo]

dump the ratings.

watch the vids and draw your own conclusions.

[TheGame]

dump the ratings.

watch the vids and draw your own conclusions.

While some of us may be able to watch all of the videos, I know of many many people who can be on a computer for MAYBE 20 minutes a day, and for them that would be pretty complicated.

Myself, I can watch 1 or 2 a day, and I do. I have watched the FFBM twice, just because of its awesomeness.

[Bkultra]

Take the Strider and CS knife as mentioned. Because the CS has a better value, maybe give it a 6 and the strider a 4, even though they did the same. Just make sure that people know that the rating system on the forum is including price, while overall rating isn't.

One problem with that is the Strider is S30V and the fact that it competed with the carbon blades shows what a good heat treat can do. The other problem is that the tests do not focus on other factors like edge retention (S30V really shines here). One can not look at the rating as an over all score.... His rating is based on toughness alone

[xxo]

While some of us may be able to watch all of the videos, I know of many many people who can be on a computer for MAYBE 20 minutes a day, and for them that would be pretty complicated.

Myself, I can watch 1 or 2 a day, and I do. I have watched the FFBM twice, just because of its awesomeness.

when i don't have time I just watch the last vid where Noss gives a wrap up on the test. When I was some place with no high speed internet, I used to just read the write ups. Not sure if Noss is still doing these. :confused:


I think a pass/fail only rating for Noss's standard tests would be OK, but I don't think it would be smart to make a knife choice based on a sword or two on the ratings.

[Noss]

The ratings are just there so people can narrow down the better performers from one another. I listed this on the site. under about ratings.

The site is getting crowded with tests so I needed a way to narrow it down for people. The rating system was the easiest way to do this.

I don't factor in cost into the ratings. People should be able to determine this for themselves.

TheGame: Welcome to the forum.

[culpeper]

TheGame:

I see your point and I sort of draw my own conclusion myself based on what I know about the price of knives. I'm not real big on grading other than pass or fail on any particular test. I like to see room for the reader or viewer to make their own objective as well as subjective opinion about overall performance and even the price factor. Nevertheless, you brought up a valid point.

[Noss]

I don't put much stock in the rating system myself. I just look at how the knife performed in the areas of the tests.