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culpeper
10-05-2008, 02:44 PM
A quick interview with Morgan Taylor of Taylor Cutlery.

Taylor has sent me several knives to evaluate which is sort of cool. I will be posting my evaluations in the knife test forum in the near future. But I wanted to gather some information about the company in general first. Morgan Taylor took some time to share his thoughts with us.

1. What is the history of Taylor Brands LLC like when and how did you guys get started in the knife and tool business?

As explained by Stewart Taylor:

"Stewart Taylor graduated from Emory & Henry College (Emory Va.) in 1974. Taylor Cutlery started doing business in 1975 by importing from Seki City Japan. Started out with a $5,000 loan from First American bank. At that time Sheila Taylor taught school and the family business survived because of her income. All the profit from selling of knives went back into building the business. The early knives were designed to be commemoratives and were marketed by Stewart Taylor at the national knife collectors shows. These quickly became a regular product at most of the local gun shows."

"I became very active in traveling to all types of gun and knife shows and this is where I made many good friends whom I still do business with today. The brands I marketed during this period were the Buck Creek, Owl Head, Elk Horn and Taylor Cutlery."

"In the early 1990’s we became the worldwide licensee for Smith & Wesson Corp. After our success in really establishing Smith & Wesson’s presence into the knife market the opportunities for our company licensing other lines really expanded. We did become the license for Coleman and John Deere."

"On October 26th 2004 we were the successful bidder to purchase all of Imperial Schrade’s intellectual property rights. This includes all of the trademarks as well as the patents of Imperial Schrade. This is one of the most exciting days of my life. It is an absolute dream come true to start out of my garage, go on to local tradeshows, establish a relationship with one of the most well known companies of our time and to be able to purchase one of the most premier branded product lines in the United States. I consider myself so blessed to have a wonderful supporting family and to have business dreams come true."

"We purchased all of the tooling enabling us to come along with the exact same product line that has made Schrade such a success for the last 100 years. Many of the Schrade brands are currently licensed out by us to other American companies who are making these knives here in the US. Smoky Mtn. Knifeworks currently is making the Schrade Walden line. The main Schade line is being produced by our factories overseas and our prices are now to the consumer able to be lowered."

"We feel Schrade’s business in the hardware market is second to none, helping Taylor Brands to delve into other markets. In 2005 we changed our corporate name from Taylor Cutlery to Taylor Brands. One of the main reasons is due to reconstruction of our core business plan to include other products besides cutlery."


2. I notice that most knives are described as "stainless steel" rather than the actual type of stainless steel. Most of our readers are interested in steel type, which gives us a general indication of the capability of the steel without observing or handling it. Could you briefly describe the types of steel TB LLC selects for any given production run and why?

We don’t usually list the steel on a product because we use a ton of different variety and don’t want to accidentally tell someone anything inaccurate. We use mainly 440 but do have a lot of 420 still in inventory on a wide range of products. We also use 1095 high carbon, 4116 stainless, AUS8, AUS6, 440, 420 and SEA-1070 high carbon steel to name a few. Most of our employees don’t know a whole lot about what steel is used on what product so we just direct these questions to people here who do. It just depends what we are doing and what price points when we choose a steel, each situation is different and we treat them that way."


3. Could you briefly explain the relatonship between TB LLC and the Schrade name? For example, how did it get started and what sort of standards does Taylor Brands LLC use to keep the name as one associated with a certain level of quality? Could you explain the same for S&W as well?

"I am not sure what you mean here, we are Schrade, we own this brand and treat it in the highest respects. All of our products are extremely well made and we personally stand by anything we put out into the market. Our mission is to provide the highest quality product at the most affordable price. Our target customer is your everyday hard working person and we make a great tool for them at a reasonable price. Our cutting tools are made to be used and if they ever have a problem with any of our products all that is needed is to ship them to us and we will repair or replace, no matter what was done and with no hassle. We treat all our brands the same, these are products we make and they are all extremely important to myself and my family."


4. What would you consider an obstacle in winning the "hearts and minds" of those of us that are knife knuts in the market place?

"I am not sure what we could do here, you guys are a tough breed and I really don’t know what else we can do to help win you over except to keep doing what we do best and that would be making high quality products. I would truly love it if we could convert some of you guys but if not we will have to be satisfied that the majority of people who have ever bought and tried our products are extremely satisfied with their performance"


5. What type of feedback would you find useful for your overall goals from us knife knuts?

"Not sure, please nothing telling me to go “F… myself” or anything like that. We are always trying to improve so any suggestions there is always appreciated."

"I hope this helps answer some of your questions, if I am in the office I can be reached by anyone who ever wishes to call. Guys please realize we are a small family owned business located here in East Tn, we believe and value hard work, we are not a giant faceless corporation with a lot of company language, you ask me a straight question you’ll get a straight answer."

zenlifter
10-05-2008, 06:42 PM
This is pretty interesting. They have a lot of product. I like some of these.

http://www.taylorbrandsllc.com/uploads/images/Schrade%20Large%20Pic%202007/Page-16-LARGE.jpg

Their S&W line of small hunters have great lines and they are reasonable. Model #s
SW630 SW640 SW650.

http://www.taylorbrandsllc.com/index.php?page=Smith-Wesson-Catalog-2007

Thanks Culpepper. And if this photo I posted is too big, sorry, I won't worry if it needs to be changed or removed. Love that grey/ivory combo though huh? I'm off to ebay.

Macgregor
10-05-2008, 07:11 PM
Very interesting, always wondered about the man behind the giant.

Man of Iron
10-05-2008, 07:20 PM
Role model for every Knifenut's American Dream, though many won't make it.

Macgregor
10-05-2008, 07:32 PM
I ish they would cut the 420 crap though.

kiah
10-05-2008, 08:18 PM
Most of our employees don’t know a whole lot about what steel is used on what product so we just direct these questions to people here who do.

Heat treating must be fun when you don't know what steel you're treating.

I am not sure what you mean here, we are Schrade

I believe many of us would beg to differ.


I own a couple of S&W's, and they are not bad knives. The SWAT is one of my favorite folders. They can be good or bad, but it's really a toss up as for the whole line.

That aside, Stewart Taylor is far from a role model. Next to Jim Frost, he is becoming the largest producer of knockoffs in the industry. Joe Byrd (Taylor's PR guy) told me a little while back that the CRK knockoffs were made with permission from Reeve, and that the Strider knockoffs were designed by Taylor, and Strider was copying them.

Taylor was also instrumental in getting the Spyderco Dyad discontinued by claiming it as his design and suing Sal for producing it.

The HRT line is designed by Darrel Ralph. They were originally made without his consent, and only after legal action was he able to get royalties.

Not trying to sidetrack the thread, and I look forward to the reviews, but Stewart Taylor is a douchebag, business minded or not.

culpeper
10-05-2008, 09:19 PM
Christ, just bringing up the name Taylor Brands used to bring my blood to a boil. I had assumed they simply purchased the license to use the name. When the owners' or heirs' of Schrade USA sold-out they sold everything, including all intellectual property and patents. That is pretty much selling the entire company lock, stock, and barrel. There is plenty of blame to go around, which isn't my intent. Nevertheless, Schrade the company has seen more than one change in its long history.

I believe he was referring to questions for the Kingsport staff about steel and not factory employees. We probably don't speak their language anyway.

As for 420, he intimated that 420 is being phased out. Still, it is hard to determine what type of 440 any given knife might be since they produce so much that it could be 440A, 440B, 440C of any unknown quality; i.e. they buy steel at the cheapest possible price. I mean, the Old Timer Woodsman is now a $20 knife. Take that knife for example, I don't see much difference between the Schrade USA Woodsman and the one you can order from SMKW for $19.95. I'm trying to keep Schrade in perspective. It was at one time and still is a hardware store knife. That is the approach I'm going to pursue. I won't be going into the history of the company. I'm just going to review the knife.

I'm currently working on the first one. I'm going through a learning curve with videoing. I'm not going to take these knives through a destruction test. More like simple abuse tests culminating with corrosion or rust resistance. For the latter, I found the best way, by purchasing steak knives made overseas, is to just throw them in the dishwasher for a couple of weeks with the heat dry turned off. This will show if any rust shows up or not rather quick as well as the overall construction of the knife. I realize no steel is rust proof but I'll need to show something since it is stainless steel.

Before I post any review I will send it to members and ask for additional input or suggestions. If anyone is interested just send me a message and I'll put you on the review list. The first knife is the fixed blade with stag handles. I cut myself taking it out of the box.

After I go through these Taylor knives I'm going to try and see if I can open some doors at similar companies like Frost.

http://www.myculpeper.com/knifetests/SHD2ELST.jpg

xxo
10-05-2008, 09:45 PM
Taylor was also instrumental in getting the Spyderco Dyad discontinued by claiming it as his design and suing Sal for producing it.



That sucks. The Dyad was a great knife and Sal is a stand up guy.

Macgregor
10-05-2008, 10:06 PM
Joe Byrd as in Byrd knives Joe Byrd?

kiah
10-05-2008, 10:13 PM
Joe Byrd as in Byrd knives Joe Byrd?

Not to my knowledge. I think it's just a coincidence. As far as I know, Sal holds all rights to the Byrd line.

Macgregor
10-05-2008, 10:17 PM
No, I think there is a guy behind byrd knives.
Let me check my buyers guide real quick.

Macgregor
10-05-2008, 10:21 PM
Nope, says nothing.
Maybe my memory is failing me so young. :D

xxo
10-05-2008, 11:04 PM
BTW,

Here's the link to Sal's Dyad patent (D436,014):

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN%2FD436014


If you download the PLAYER (http://www.alternatiff.com/install-ie/) you can see the patent drawing (click on IMAGES), says the patent was filed in 1999, granted in 2001 and has a term of 14 years.

xxo
10-05-2008, 11:14 PM
it is wierd coincidence that Joe from taylor brands is Joe Byrd.

Shaolin
10-06-2008, 12:56 PM
Price wise they are pretty cheap.

Noss
10-06-2008, 08:42 PM
Great interview. Thanks.

I am still planing to test the extreme one piece knife from them. It's made of 1070 so it should do well.

An online friend said they have used them and have beat them good and they perform well.