Ranger RD 7 Video Desrtuction Test Completed

[Noss]

I finally got this one up. I had a lot of problems with You Tube this time around. :mad:

Well I thought the ranger RD 7 would perform better then it did. All was well until the body weight test. In the first position the Ranger supported all my weight. I moved the Ranger out to the second position (in the holder) about 1.5 inches from the beginning of the grind and Snap ! it broke.

I did the side impacts on the tang on what was left and one good solid hit and the handle broke off. This concluded the test. I was never able to perform the metal on metal tests or a flex test with the Ranger.

Compared to the Scrapper 6. The Ranger failed these very hard tests. The Scrapper 6 Passed them with flying colors and went on to finish the torture test.

Both knives are in the same price range about 100 bucks but they are not in the same toughness and strength range. The Ranger RD 7 is a much heavier built knife then the Scrapper 6 from butt to tip but it performance was disappointing compared to the Scrapper 6. For the best performance to price ratio the Scrapper 6 is far superior to the Ranger RD 7.

The videos are in five parts.

Enjoy the videos they were made for you. :)



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Part 2
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Part 3
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Part 4
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Part 5
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[kiah]

Disappointing.:(

[Noss]

The Ranger didn't have the flexibility and strength needed to survive the body weight test.

[xxo]

I wonder if there are any metalurgists out there who would be willing to take a look at the grain structure of some of the broken peices of all of the test knives and maybe do a rockwell test, would be interesting to know the HRC and any comments on the grain structure snd heat treatment from a metalurgist.

[Noss]

I'm down for this. The only one that was verified was the CRK Green Beret. Of course this was by CRK themselves and not from an independent source but they did come back and say the knife checked out ok.

It would be great to have a metallurgist look at them after the tests and give some specs on the knives that I can not do myself.

[kurodrago]

As always nice test Noss! Not been so terrible disappointing, I was not expecting more strength on this one. two similarity with TOPS stell Eagle#1comes with dull edge like the renger,#2 the tip looks like the same thickness strength. I could be wrong?

[eatingmuchface]

I just started part one and I really want to see how it did!
:D
thanks noss.

[eatingmuchface]

hmm... I'm not terribly dissapointed, but not really impressed.
I like that the edge held up well, but it doesn't have too much lateral strength.
(hopefully I don't get too much heavier or stronger!)
:D
def. not in the same class as the scrapper6 though.

[Noss]

Yeah it did fine until the very hard tests. When I get to the last tests. This is were a large majority of the test knives will fail.

I see it's on the Ranger forum already. I read the comment about the side tang impacts. an the Scrapper still having the handle in place when I tested the scrapper.

So I made a short video of me beating on the Scrapper 6 tang without the handle. I'll have it up in just a sec. It did just fine with out the handle. It took some heavy blows without braking more then need to get the point across.

[eatingmuchface]

lol!
you did!?!?!
NICE!!!!!
:D
I can't wait...

[Tac45]

Noss don't you know? You are only allowed to break knives that sheeple hate!

[Noss]

LOL !! I have found this out. If it was a Cold Steel. They would just be saying "I told you so" :rolleyes:

[The Cameraman]

Whoa, this test is making the rounds. it has popped up on a few forums already from what i can tell. they're debating it on the scrapyard and ranger forums pretty steadily. it was clear from the minute Noss said "cut" that some things were gonna get stirred up after this test was completed. it makes me yawn to even think about attempting to address every little nitpicky point being brought up so i will just state a couple of truths in the matter and leave it at that.

Noss' "rant" (as it is addressed by some) at the end of the video for the ranger where he compared the toughness and durability to the scrapyard was unscripted opinion that he felt in the moment. one thing about Noss is that he remembers everything, except where he left his Copenhagen, so if he mentioned a comparison too much for some, it was because he had a few hundred threads, reviews, and comments going through his head right then and there...in a 98 degree shop after working up quite a sweat busting the hell out the ranger (don't forget, forum folks, that we are down here in Texas, the CROTCH of this great nation and with a hundred degree heat coupled with high as hell humidity, covered head to toe in thick clothing and wearing a mask while you try to force a piece of steel to shatter concrete, sometimes it may wear on you a little bit, ya know?:D). he and i have discussed the ranger many a time since he received it, and overall, he wasn't very impressed with the edge it came with, the feel of the handle, and how it performed in a field test. and people have told him that yes, justin at ranger will put any type of edge you want on it, but he felt that he shouldn't have to put a specific request in to the manufacturer telling him that yes, he wants his hundred dollar knife to be sharp when it arrives. that being said, he still had high hopes for it. when i watch the last segment, i hear him say more then a few times that the knife was never in jeopardy of chipping, and that it was very strong. but, after countless threads that have both the ranger and the scrapyard listed together, he just didn't see the similarities for comparison. and, after a year of putting a lot of time in the shop and in front of the computer, he feels justified in his opinions. i must say, i trust his opinion, too. there are times when i am filming that i question what his doing that moment whether it be the order of the tests or how his actually performing the test, but it always becomes apparent in the end and my questions get answered.

there is always someone who will claim that more SCIENCE is needed and that multiple knives need to be tested to be accurate. well, simply put, FUKK THAT. Noss pays for damn near every aspect of this site. the man built a FUKKIN water tank to test a single diving knife and people are telling him to test 10-15 of the same knife as well? BLOW ME, BLOW ME, NOW. if that is such an easily made expectation then point me to the site where they are doing it, because i know for a fact that knifetests.com will never be on that short list. and while you're at it, get off the fukkin bullcrap about edge retention and cutting hundreds of pieces of rope to see exactly how long the edge will last. frankly, i'd rather watch olympic chess on espn 13 then be called over to Noss' shop to watch him cut rope for two hours.

Noss spends a lot of time maintaining his forum. if you notice, other people are posting his tests on other forums, not him. He will, however, hop on another forum to defend his position or to answer questions, but he is not about to invest even more time posting destruction tests all over the internet so every demographic can see his videos. so, i don't see how anyone can say that he is just trying to stir up $hit on other forums, disrespecting God and everyone else, when he didn't even START THE THREAD.

that being said, we just finished two more destruction tests tonight. so as always, this is just another stepping stone of what will come. and with all certainty, i can say that these last tests will make some more blood boil.


YOU CAN JUST CALL ME, CAMERAMAN

[Tac45]

Let me see now. There are people who want to own tough mean rugged knives. Obviously to go with their tough mean rugged personalities. Then when someone breaks the tough mean rugged knife they actually get worked up so bad they need to accuse and belittle. That doesn't sound so tough mean and rugged. It's kinda 'nancy boy'. Guess breaking a knife must break their personality as well.

At least you can buy a better knife.

[Sharp]

+1 on what the Cameraman said.

A lot of the guys that do start a argument on the test really hold too high of their own beliefs and won't be moved, even by pure evidence.

Morons, as I call them.

[eatingmuchface]

I couldn't agree more camerman.
:D
sometimes I feel like I got noss into trouble over on KF, and he is one of the more respectful than most of the people there.
and at least I know where to say controversial things!
NOT at the SY FORUM,which I like for the fact that there are rare flame wars (northern1 never should have brought it up there if he posted it on KF anyway) and I would never say anything bad about rangers over on justins forum either (and noss wouldn't do that, once again showing his respect, [even though he could say w/e he wanted to down there now, since they're gonna freak out anyway] and the lack of respect from some other people, who will bring stupid stuff up at the wrong place)

but yeah... can't wait to see these tests!!!
:D

[Noss]

If the Ranger would have gone the distance. They would be dancing in the streets.

I think it comes down to this. They love Ranger knives. They had high hopes for it to perform well as I did. It didn't so now they want to just disregard it. All these guys want to have the biggest baddest knives on the block so when something comes a long an shows something to what they believed they flip out over it.

They aways just say well it is just entertainment so I don't care. But they sure get upset over something that is just entertainment. :rolleyes:

I don't know what the hell they are talking about when They say I made a rant at the end. I watched it again. I didn't hear a rant . I summed up the test noted the good points and the bad compared it to the scrapper 6 that I always see it compared with. It is these kind of comments from these people that sum most of this up for me.

I tested the CRK project and the cheaper then dirt last night. O-boy. I don't want to keep everyone guessing but I do want to post it all first.

[Noss]

EMF: you didn't get me in trouble over there. Those guys had no problem trashing me when I was not there to defend myself. So when I went there they had their chance to face me and you saw what happened. The scattered like roaches when the lights came on.

On blade forums I was active so I was always there to defend myself when I needed to.
They had free rain over on knife forums until I showed up it seems. :rolleyes:

Don't worry. about you didn't do anything wrong.

[eatingmuchface]

I didn't see anything special about the summary either...
you normally spend time going over the test and that's all you did.

and you are absolutley right about KF, I couldn't agree more.

I can't wait to see the tests man!
:D

[Macgregor]

Hey Noss, I think the blood banks broke like you said. :D

[kiah]

I'm tending to ignore hype and big names anymore. The Ranger's edge did do better than the Scrapper, but not any better than the $25 S&W (Which I believe would have been a contender if it had a full tang).

Swamp Rat's new 154cm HC snapped in the first posted wood prying test.

I got an Emerson CQC-8 in the mail today, and am wholly unimpressed. It's either stiff to open or has blade play. An adjustment cannot be made to get rid of one without causing the other. The liners are no thicker than cheapies I have. And the F&F, while good, is not awe-inspiring.
Also picked up a CS Scimitar in a deal a couple of weeks ago, It's a cool knife, but it looks like a toy, and has up and down play no matter what you do to it.
Now on the other hand, I have a CRKT M16-FD that is folding knife perfection. It flicks open with a brush of the finger and locks up like a vault, with an added safety in case the lock slips. Total paid: $17 new. Heck my 3 S&W SWATs beats both of these expensive knives on comfort, lockup, and usablity, and I paid $3 each for them.

My point being: Ignore the hype, and buy what you like.

[Macgregor]

Exactly, more expensive doesnt always mean better.

Look a mora's.

[gutsy]

noss, that was a good test . i really appreciate the effort you put into it and all the other knives . what i dont appreciate was when you started talking about the scrapper 6 . i kinda want to buy one now:D.i still like my rd7 and becker bk7c/u but i love knives and thus i will buy more . my particular rd7 is an older one , probably one of the first run . its been a good woods knife . one point id like to see is the difference in the steel used in both knives 5160 and sr77 or whatever the heck its called . they are different steels with different metalurgical contents . whats fascinating about the test is the contrasts betweens each knives weight / durability/wearability while in extreme impact . what does 5160 have that sr77 doesnt need ? tests like these call people to actually think ..... not ass-u-me. ya did good noss.

[gutsy]

and yes i concure with the statement about the mora . if your not careful you will use it more than any other knife you own .

[kiah]

I get why some people don't agree with these tests, but sheesh. Some people get their panties just a little too bunched. Noss is either spending his own money on these knives, or they are being donated by someone who spent their own money on the knife. Some of these whiners think the tests have no merit, yet they'll spend an hour watching them just to have something to bitch about. The thread on KF has devolved from griping about the test, to personal attacks on Noss. Now they're even taking shots at the effing cameraman.

[Noss]

gutsy: Welcome to the forum. Your welcome and thanks. I showed some things about the ranger and the Scrapper 6 that have not been seen. People are talking. That is for sure.


kiahs: I have been reading the forum over there. They wounder why I don't go there much :rolleyes: Like jumping into a shark tank while covered in blood.

I get hell on blade forums also but I have fought and debated my position many times.
so most of it has died down. I love the debate but I'm not going sit trough all the childish insults. Why waste my time.

[Tac45]

Ah childish insults. So many childish insults on these other forums. I suspect that many of these great sages over there are actually children. Just a personal opinion based on the writings of these individuals. Not just the attacks on yourself but on anything that isn't the latest fad.. We have young folks here who exhibit behaviour and opinions far beyond any of those others. Surely they must be children. After all.......what kind of adult behaves in such a childish manner.

Oh. Yes if you are one of 'those' reading this. No I don't really think you are a child. You just behave like one.

[The Cameraman]

I get why some people don't agree with these tests, but sheesh. Some people get their panties just a little too bunched. Noss is either spending his own money on these knives, or they are being donated by someone who spent their own money on the knife. Some of these whiners think the tests have no merit, yet they'll spend an hour watching them just to have something to bitch about. The thread on KF has devolved from griping about the test, to personal attacks on Noss. Now they're even taking shots at the effing cameraman.


They're taking potshots at me, too?.....well, I'm honored. I don't know who to thank first...:D:D Seriously, though, that kid seven had me laughing my ass off. He called me a 13 year old, then spells suggestion, "sudjestion" LOL!! And evidently, I don't operate behind the camera, I operate "behide" it. LMFAO!!


MOVING UP IN THE WORLD, THE EFFING CAMERAMAN

[Sharp]

All these guys want to have the biggest baddest knives on the block so when something comes a long an shows something to what they believed they flip out over it.



YAY!!! I'm so happy I have a FBM. :D :p :cool: :rolleyes:

[Sharp]

They're taking potshots at me, too?.....well, I'm honored. I don't know who to thank first...:D:D Seriously, though, that kid seven had me laughing my ass off. He called me a 13 year old, then spells suggestion, "sudjestion" LOL!! And evidently, I don't operate behind the camera, I operate "behide" it. LMFAO!!


MOVING UP IN THE WORLD, THE EFFING CAMERAMAN

'S why we love the EFFING CAMERAMAN. :D

[me2]

First post on the new forum, yay me. Anyhow, this seems to illustrate a point I've been considering for a while. It looks like a lot of knives with an actual toughness of say 6 on a 1-10 scale get praise and develop a following. Then, when directly compared to a knife with a rating of 8, they show poorly. The thing that caused the high marks in the first place is they were never expected to do anything requiring more than a 5. This illustrates why destructive testing and comparisons are a must if you want to really know what your knife is capable of doing.

[vvk]

First post on the new forum, yay me. Anyhow, this seems to illustrate a point I've been considering for a while. It looks like a lot of knives with an actual toughness of say 6 on a 1-10 scale get praise and develop a following. Then, when directly compared to a knife with a rating of 8, they show poorly. The thing that caused the high marks in the first place is they were never expected to do anything requiring more than a 5. This illustrates why destructive testing and comparisons are a must if you want to really know what your knife is capable of doing.

I would say that all knives that got 4 or above in the tests are good for normal use outdoors. There are other factors affecting the purchasing decisions, i.e. if the knife is stainless or not, edge holding, weight, quality of the sheath etc. I have the Ranger R.A.K. and it arrived very dull and stays practically unused.

One thing that I consider important is the stabbing performance. I begged Noss on BF to add some stabs in a phonebook to the tests as this will allow direct comparison between different knives, i.e. how many pages each one had managed to penetrate. I am still keeping my fingers crossed ya hear me Noss? :)

[The Cameraman]

I remember when Noss joined KnifeForums. It was a sunny, fall day, and the wind was whistling through the juniper trees...LOL! He joined after someone posted a few PICS they had found on the web. The pics were of a piece of conrete that had evidently been hacked by a Ranger. The forum members were in awe of the pics. They couldn't contain their excitement. Hugs and kisses were distributed amongst the sea of fans that relished their beloved savior and his spectacular cutlery. LOL!!

Now, mind you, this is a year after Noss started posting VIDEOS of his destruction tests and the general feeling on the Ranger forum was that the videos were garbage and didn't provide any knowledge to be learned...just a freak in a mask breaking $hit. At one point, Justin had even mentioned that maybe he should donate a Ranger to Noss and see what his knives could do. Well, the forum members flipped out, bashing the tests, the site, and Noss. So, Justin changed his tune and abandoned the idea.

Oh, well, no big deal, lest we forget how the Strider believers reacted when Noss just announced he intended to test one of their tantos...then the tests got posted and they were like, "hell, yeah, I knew that Striders kicked ass!!" Needless to say, Noss had encountered this kind of backlash.

Noss, who was already dealing with the critics on BladeForums, didn't really want to join another forum where he might have to actually defend his position against those who can not be swayed, or even listen to reason for that matter. But, after seeing the loving sentiment towards the pics on the Ranger forum, couldn't help himself. He ended up posting a reply to the affect, "wow, what awesome pics. if only there was a site that showed full length videos of hard use testing of knives and more"....I thought it was hilarious, but that's just me....the Effing Cameraman:D. Well, after that, everyone was "welcome to the forum", no more bad blood, we all love you, kind of stuff, ya know?

Then, someone posted the Ranger test link on Justin's forum, Amongst an overall positive response and some general support were ofcourse, a couple of whiners saying the usual--the tests suck, Noss sucks, and I STAND BEHIND JUSTIN....I could totally make a joke there, but I won't because I have INTEGRITY, DAMNIT!!! So, Noss just mentioned the obvious--you guys bashed me until I joined, then no one had anything to say after that. So ofcourse, the trolls came out and even yours truly got mentioned (again, I'd like to thank the Academy, God, ofcourse, my parents, Dick and Annette, LOL!!!!! :D

In the end, we're all still here, wiser for the most, and ready to embark upon the next phase of our lives, which includes more knives being pushed to failure.....................and a cameraman losing sleep to aid in the whims of a madman in a mask. And we're ready to push forward, men. I just hope we don't offend anyone else because that's what really keeps Noss up at night...poor guy just can't stand it when he hurts people's feelings :D


ANOTHER LITTLE TIDBIT FROM YOUR FAITHFUL CAMERAMAN...let's continue.

[slipfirep40]

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[slipfirep40]

For being such an awesome guy, Justin sure has a lot of http://www.sportsgamer.com/forums/images/smilies/dms/duh2.gif followers.




But who are we to be calling people retards? :p

[gutsy]

i think one of the main differences in the performances of the scrapper and the rd7 is the steel . throw in
the performance of the fallkniven a1 into the mix and then look at the tests of all three very carefuly. lot of good information on this site thats for sure. noss , its good to be on the new forum . ya did good with it .

[Newazzkikr]

In the main page of KnifeTest, the first sentece under knifetest logo says knifetest is independent ! Noss you can't explain to all baboons from other forums what this means if they don't understand, it would be waste of time, they are too stupid for that. You can compare it to whatever knife you want to, especialy to those you already tested and like you mentioned in RD7 test, this 2 blades are compared a lot on net, so why not. And test showed it is really very different class. But all that is just your personal and independent opinion and everybody else can take whatever they want from it.

I saw some stupid childish reactions after scrapper 6 test came on scrapyard forum, but if i were you i would only laugh.

The truth is 98% of people watching your videos don't understand it (i think so). They don't see reason why you do it, what is YOUR reason to do it. When i watched first video from knifetest (ka-bar USMC) it was by coincidence on youtube and my first impresion was also that you just want to ruin that knife, but it was only impresion from the mask you had, after i came on your site i found out whats going on and i was very impresed and i still am. Because i see the reason, and every knife-lover should be thankful for what you are doing. I am thankful, really i appreciate your great test, i learn a lot about blades on market and its great entertainment for someone who loves knifes.

Thanks Noss & Cameraman ! Hang on !

[Noss]

Newazzkikr: Thanks bro. That sums it up for the most part. You welcome for everything.

[Noss]

me2: Welcome to the forum. Yes I agree. HYPE does does not prove anything. It's only until you take a blade to the limit can you see the potential.


vvk: Welcome to the forum. Yes, people buy knifes for all kinds of factors/reasons
The bottom line is buy what you want. I'll consider doing some penetrate tests like I did with the RAO. I just don't have a bunch of phone books laying around. I'll see if I can find something good to use as substitute.

Maybe some thick note books would be good. They are cheap and they are easily available at places like Wal Mart and drug stores.

[eatingmuchface]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
camerman, I'm seriously crying. (not because myfeeling were hurt though)
that was possibly the funniest post ever. and i remember that too.
:D
lol

Newazzkikr: I think when it says independent it means that like... noss doesn't have anything to do with these companies and he doesn't work for them.
but each test is different yes.
:D

I tend to think knives with a 4 rating are fine for general use and knives with 3 should be fine too, but need to be used carefully. but I'll normally take the toughest I can get. :D

[gutsy]

took a peek at the ranger forum . call me crazy but some over there seem like there apart of some form of religeous movement. it s always had that happy little culty feeling there , like how they treat justin as a god or sumthin'. :eek: i say bull cock! its a good forum , justin is cool , his knives are good but his followers/believers/forumites/semi-literate tree dwellers or what ever you want to call them drive me crazy . they follow him around like lame people follow tv evangelists! he could seriously start his own cult/church with some of the wacko's there. but atleast there is some peace and solace here where we break stuff.:rolleyes:

[Tac45]

Does membership over there include a cup of Kool Aid?

[Noss]

Yep. I want to know where is the cheaper than dirt cult ? Do they have a forum. Are they
bashing this site ? Does anyone know ? :D

[G. Scott H.]

Oh, crap! I hope The Cameraman isn't gonna be too pissed that I suggested I'd like to have seen more edge retention testing on the CTD...:p I'm not talking Noss doing 2 hours of rope cutting, just a few sheets o' cardboard and such, like in some of the earlier videos. After the lunacy at KF over the RD7 test and the claims that, "Sure the China knife was tougher, but I bet it won't hold an edge," I figured it would be interesting to see the truth of the matter. :cool:

I think the Ranger did fine on the chopping, etc., but I too was surprised at its lack of lateral toughness. Meh...as I've said elsewhere, I dig Ranger knives, and I'm sure as hell not planning on getting rid of my beloved semi-custom RD9. I've even been tossing around ideas for several months for a custom R.A.K. THe most disappointing aspect of this whole deal for me was the type of responses Noss received from certain folks. Noss subjected the RD to the usual battery of tests and it didn't get as far as some others. It is what it is. As I said over at BF, the tests didn't show the Ranger to be a shitty knife, just that it iwasn't as balls-on tough as a few others. I don't see what the huge deal is. :confused:

[Noss]

No camera man won't be pissed. I will make him watch me cut rope for 2 hours. :p

I guess I need to bring back the cardboard. Camera man asked me about this a few days ago. I have been just using the webbing. The stuff is cut resistant. I can tell very quick if I have lost the edge.

I find it funny over on Knife Forums now everyone is just saying well It's just for cutting.:confused: The bottom line is the Ranger RD 7 is a sharpened pry bar. It is not a sharp one at that. It has a horrible edge on it when you get it. One can always re profile it but not everyone can do this correctly. An there are tons of people that don't want to send their new knife back to Ranger to have a good edge put one it. I'm not saying all Ranger knives come this way. I have only used this model but he needs to put a better factory edge on it then what he does. It will be interesting to see what changes Ontario makes.

I'm glad you like your custom. Got any photos of it ?

[Tac45]

I 'wanna' join a cult. The Cheaper Than Dirt Cult suits me just fine. It fits my personality. I 'wanna' wear robes and chant all kinds of brain wash garble.

Matter of fact Noss 'ol' mate, I could watch you cut rope for hours. Just give me a 'comfy' chair and a bottle or two of sipping whiskey and I'm in!

Really who the hell cares about some brain dead opinions any way. Let them have a cult, an idol and let them sip their Kool Aid.

[Noss]

Well I was over at the Ranger forum a bit ago and brain dead se7en just stated the knife was probably cut before the tests were performed. The dumb ass didn't think of the fact that I still have the knife and could clearly show there were no cut marks down the breaks.

If I would have cut or scored the blade to weaken it. You would clearly see the saw blade or cutting wheel kerf ( the slot or grove from the width of the cutting tool ) As you can clearly see there is no kerf at the breaks.

This underlines how far a fan Boy will go to try and debunk my test or any test, anyone does that shatters HYPE a Fan Boy preaches.

There is another break in the tang this was not done during the filming of the test. I was playing with the left over tang and placed it in the vice to see how tough it was. You can see the vice marks were I held the knife. It took some very good strong hits before bending slightly I put the tang back in the vice and pressed it and it cracked/broke

[Noss]

Tac45: LOL I'm going to start the Cheaper Than Dirt knife cult. I'll start making the Kool Aid. Bottoms up. :D

[Tac45]

It is sad that someone such as this seven doesn't mind exposing themselves to to ridicule with such nonsense theories. I suppose having limited understanding and a 'simple' nature may help to alleviate any feelings of humiliation which would normally result from such actions. People are unkind and we should allow this fellow his little joy.

[Noss]

I posted the link over there so he could see the photos. I just wounder what he comes up with next ?

Like I said over there on knife forums. The Ranger did not do bad but it also did not do great for a heavy sharpen pry bar type of knife.

It's just when I do these Fan Boy designer blades and the do not live up to all the hype
some of them loose it.

If the Busse or Scrap Yard would have gone down easy. I would have had to leave this planet.

[Noss]

This is just crazy. It's funny an sad at the same time. I used and analogy over there on knife forums. It was to be funny :D and make a point since they keep bringing up the Mask. They have run out of every other argument. So it's back to mask. The mask The mask.


WHO ARE YOU ? I'M BATMAN

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The owner asked If I would leave. So I did. I will not return. The knife world is one crazy ass place. :D

[kiah]

Noss, unless I'm completely clueless. loardofwar doesn't have the authority to ask anyone to do anything. He's not the owner of KF, he's not even a mod. Heck, he doesn't even have the power to fix his misspelled username. I think he referred to it as "his forum" like someone would refer to their favorite bar as "my bar".

[Noss]

Hmmm The way he talked it was his. I thought he was the owner ? :confused: It didn't look like he was a mod or anything but I assumed he was.

[kiah]

He has a join date of 04-22-07, and is listed as a standard member. He's just a regular poster throwing a tantrum.

[Noss]

O man !!! I got suckered. :D I'm so use to blade forum I didn't notice.

[kiah]

Eh, I wouldn't worry about posting over there anyway. They can't seem have a discussion without resorting to name calling. On BF, the personal attacks would not be tolerated outside of the designated forums.

Why they care about you wearing a mask is beyond me. I think they cling to it, because they have no other arguments to make. The whole, "a knife is meant for cutting, use the right tool for the job" logic is just silly when you're referring to a 13" long 1/4" slab of 5160 that's entirely useless for precision cutting. The Ranger being designed soley for cutting is laughable. If you want to use the right tool for cutting, buy a freakin' Opinel.

That seven guy doesn't seem to be able to write a sentence without referring to someone as "child, kid, or teenager", which puts me to thinking, he either really dislikes children, or he's not quite the elder he pretends to be.

As for Justin. Justin is a cool guy. He has the best customer service in the industry. I've seen him and his wife go out of their way to make things right when people had minor gripes with their knives. Why he's hung up on the mask, I don't understand.

I like my RD6, and think it's a great buy. I will probably end up selling it though. Not because of any toughness issues, but because it is not the right tool for the job when I need to cut something. It's way too big to be useful as a knife, and way too small to be useful as a chopper. And since it is apparantly designed to do only these two things, while any other use would be considered abuse, I don't really see the point in it.

[eatingmuchface]

you don't know how hard it is for me to not reply anymore to that thread.

I like justin too, he's a cool guy and all... but I just don't get it...
so he has no problems when they post whatever they want about you, and now even other companies!!! but when you say "brainless" about se7en it's being disrespectful and he won't have it???
I think he may have just been looking for a reason to kick you out.

showing your face?
if he has your name and info, why does the face matter?
I guess i just miss the point though.

then LOW says "go away" but others say they want to talk to nosss about it...
well they shouldn't say such extreme things if they don't want you there... or post threads about it.

[eatingmuchface]

and as far as I am concerned...
(if anyone is reading this!)
since ranger fans support justin and his knives, it'd be like a bunch of people bashing justin on some forum.
I'm sure they'd stick up for Justin if he wasn't there to defend himself...
but I guess they can't see that.
and I really can't stand se7en, but whatever, he can talk all he wants over there.

[Noss]

Yeah, It's a double standard over there. That knives sole purpose is not a cutter. kiahs is correct if you want a pure cutter then a Mora or such is a the way to go . I started carrying a Mora 2000 and it will easily out cut my FBM especially for small detail work. I use it around the house for a few things that I won't grab my FBM for. It's just overkill.

The knife did as well as it could do. If Justin is happy with the results like he said than great. More power to him. I hope he sells knives because of it. In my view it did not life up to the Hype that surrounds it.

I get bashed on many forums. I know I read them. So they were never singled out. Many people say that get value out of it and it is nice to see how far their blade will go without having to do it themselves, even though they will never take one this far. Others truly hate it.

I was hammered on the Strider test on blade forums. And I tested it fair. I came out and said it was a tough knife and performed well. I had a blast testing it.
I have been hammered by Busse fans also many times. When I posted. I finally had the FFBM many were excited. Some were nervous, some ignored it. The Busse delivered on the goods and it performed like it is advertised. It's an extreme hard use Combat knife. Jerry claims it is a top performer as a serious hardcore blade . My test results showed this to be the case.

I hope everyone is happy with there Rangers. They liked them before this test and there is no reason not to like them now it did well. I just found it's limit. Did it compare to some tougher knives, no. An I'm not say anything anyone can't look at for themselves. I have found people interpret what they see differently just like the read numerical data and charts different. There are super flame wars on Blade Forums about this stuff.

I emailed Justin and sent him my photo and contact info like I said I would.

I'm not going to post there anymore. I have had my fill an it has got out of control.
So they can do whatever they want over there. If Justin wants to come here and debate it. Then he is more than welcome to do so.

[slipfirep40]

Tac45: LOL I'm going to start the Cheaper Than Dirt knife cult. I'll start making the Kool Aid. Bottoms up. :D

Our kool-aid damn well better have some wild turkey 101 in it....

[Tac45]

Just spent the morning reading all the funny little posts on KF. I'm not a member over there and it is that type of joyful and intellectual discussion that turned me off forums for some time. There was a forum over here that was similar to this one. No destruction. But friendly and easy going. Guys and girls who liked blades. All kinds. Hard use, show, fantasy etc. A few morons jumped on board but were promptly banned. Banned because they wanted arguments and to throw abuse around. That great forum closed and a few years later I found this one.

I guess some people take themselves far too seriously. Some idiot there called everyone here kids. Well I'd love to be a kid again. No bills to pay. No family to be responsible for. No aches and pains or funny little spots that should be checked by a physician. Yeah I'd love to be a kid again. Looking forward to the gathering of wisdom, not knowing that life and people can be really ugly. No waking up in the morning knowing that your work day will be spent sorting out peoples problems or lending a shoulder for victims to cry on. No seeing friends and collegues hurt. No dropping flags half way down a pole because sometimes someone didn't come home from work. I have no regrets. I have loved my life, but yeah.....I'd love to be a kid again.

[The Cameraman]

The real reason that the knife didn't do that well is simple, and three-fold. Don't try to stop me Noss, I have held my tongue for way too long. You have disrespected too many people and it has to stop. Don't forget, many of these people can't even spell!!!! Leave them alone, they are simple, and pure, and find nothing wrong with typing out hate filled rhetoric (seven, rhetoric just means words...it's okay, you'll get, you're doing good, really, just sound it out) and spending countless hours servicing a knifemaker's manhood at wilderness retreats...Hey, Noss, we're invited :eek: :confused:

First, you wear a mask...YES, YOU DO!!!! :mad:

Second, you wear a mask..................................YES, YOU DO!!!!!!! :mad:

Third, you built your shop, knifetests.com studios, at the southeasterly corner of an Indian burial ground. Remember, I told you that there would be serious consequences but you didn't listen. Now, the Wah-ka Wah-ka tribe was displaced by the armed forces of these United States of America many moons ago...and then you go and test a RANGER knife over the buried ancestors of this proud, once great nation. What did you expect!? Did you really think that such an abomination (I'll PM the definition, sorry the "definishun", to you later, seven) would go unpunished? I mean, the Ranger RD7 is bombproof AAAANNNDDDD bulletproof!!! I think that it can handle your body weight....I mean, the Cheaper than Dirt knife did.

I APOLOGIZE FOR NOTHING, THE EFFING CAMERAMAN

[kiah]

You crack me up man.

:D:D:D:D

[Tac45]

Maybe there are some beads you can get to stop all this bad mojo?

[Sharp]

Dude, WHO THE FUCK MADE FUN OF NOSS' MASK!?!?!?!?!?!?

I've got a mask very similar to that when I used to paintball. :D

[Sharp]

I love how the fools think the D-test needs to be an exact science to be legitimate.

In a survival situation, it doesn't come down to a science. It comes to instinct and your own knowledge. Thinking harder and longer will just get you closer to the dark pit in death.

So these knife tests so when a knife will break. It's to show the limits and if they can't deal with it they should just stop watching them and go on breaking their knives and crying to their mothers.

I've broken and lost several knives. It's no big deal.

My FBM even as some denting up on front of the blade but whose complaining? It's a real knife for some real purpose. Not a wall hanger.

[slipfirep40]

You cut that knife and we know it! Stop hiding behind your mask batman!:mad:

[gutsy]

so is noss our self annointed , cheaper than poop knife cult prophet? :Dhhhhhmmmmm. ..............then he should prove himself to us ! thats what i say.:D

[FOBOS]

I think the masks are cool and creepy, kinda like Texas Chainsaw Massacre! Not only that, but they no doubt serve as protection in case of shattered steel, flying debris, chipped concrete, etc. Come on, if anyone has a problem with masks then F them and boycott Holloween for the luv of Pete. Please keep up the look and the tests Noss!!!

[Noss]

Man those guys have started another thread on Knife forums. a thread to boycott knife tests.com conversations. Well hell all that did was keep people talking on the issue. :confused: That plan seemed to backfire. That is funny.

[Noss]

The secrete is out DAMN !!! I should have never built the shop on that Indian burial ground. It's just HELL ON KNIVES !!!! I guess Indians don't like knives :confused:


I can't take off the mask everyone will know I'm really Bruce Wayne.

[Tac45]

Oh well since I guess there is a boycott on KF no body will ever look at Knife Tests.com. I don't think I can ever post over there any more.....oh wait a minute.... I'm not a member over there. That's right. I have better things to do with my life than read pages of whiney I hate this and I hate that crap.

The sad thing is that on these other forums there are some great people who like knives. Have great observations and information on them. But the large number of cry baby whingers makes it a pain to read through their rubbish to get to the good points.

[eatingmuchface]

lol
idk why, but they seem to kinda be discussing the tests their.
I did kinda point that out...
I don't think people can help themselves. whenever it's brought up some has to say something about "real" tests and how noss fake tests don't prove anything.

oh well...

[Tac45]

Noss's tests appear to be real. He seems like a real person. (Batman is real right!!!!!) The knives he uses seem like real knives. I have not noticed any computer graphics or animation. Although Cameramans fine work does seem a little like hollywood blockbuster material. (actually more like 1970's Swedish films shown in small dingy cinemas in back alleys)

My advice EMF. Don't bother trying to change anyones opinion. Zealots are well....zealots. It's like spitting in the wind. You're bound to get some splash back.

[Gman1128]

Thanks for the test Noss. This one was very interesting.
I don't think that it did that bad, but I expected it to do about as well as the scrapper 6, so it was kind of disappointing.

[sdt11670]

there is always someone who will claim that more SCIENCE is needed and that multiple knives need to be tested to be accurate. well, simply put, FUKK THAT.


YOU CAN JUST CALL ME, CAMERAMAN

Well not only would one need a knife from a different lot but he would need them under different circumstances as well. For instance i chopped plenty of wood with two different axes through the fall but when they were left out in freezing temperatures (in the teens) i shattered both of them chopping wood yet i have an old axe my grandfather used in the 50's and i still use it and it has never failed in any temperature and it has never been preheated either. I also have a small imported hatchet and have used it for several years and i bought eight more of these at a later date presumably from the same lot as they came in to the hardware store together and i broke three of these and my dad broke one of them. they all broke in the same place and away from where they were being impacted. (they are one piece steel and all broke in the middle of the steel handles) but any way conditions change the properties of steel especially it's ability to resist shattering and not only would different lots need testing but also under different conditions. Yes i know it is financially impossible under noss's circumstances but if you are gonna do it and you cant do it right.... Shouldn't you at least acknowledge it?

[The Cameraman]

Why does it need to be acknowledged? How much truly needs to be spelled out? If I were to talk to a chaos theorist, I'm sure he'd have a slew of factors and influences that needed to be taken into consideration for even the most mundane tasks. But, the scientists in the lab coats are not who Noss started this site for. He started it for the guys like himself. Guys that like knives.....and have some repressed anger issues :D. But, don't take my word for it, after all, who the hell am I? Ultimately, Noss will have to decide on how much he wants to acknowledge. Me?...I'm just the Effing Cameraman :D.

TRAPPED IN MY OWN CHAOTIC MIND, THE EFFING CAMERAMAN

[Tac45]

Damn it!!! I just bought myself a lab coat.

[sdt11670]

He started it for the guys like himself. Guys that like knives.....

Knives yes but what if it looks like a knife but instead is some type of economical disaster in disguise...a knife like object destroying an economy putting your fellow Americans out of work and enslaving a population of kids. Even if we are talking about local economies and not national levels it's bad just the same .

[Tac45]

"Knives yes but what if it looks like a knife but instead is some type of economical disaster in disguise...a knife like object destroying an economy putting your fellow Americans out of work and enslaving a population of kids. Even if we are talking about local economies and not national levels it's bad just the same ."

SDT. So how come you own so many from these places? Knives, one piece hatchets that break etc?
Arn't you doing just what you are accusing others of? Knife like object......you have to be kidding. Is that a term you invented yourself to give your opinions some type of authority.

You should stop buying Chinese made knives if you feel so strongly about it.

Oh! The CTD lasted longer than the Ranger. Get over it.

[eatingmuchface]

I think his probelm was not that it was chinese, but that he thinks it's a product of slave labor.
(do you really think if we stop buying thses knives any kids that are supposedly "enslaved" are going to go free or something?)

... I think.

[sdt11670]

I think his probelm was not that it was chinese, but that he thinks it's a product of slave labor.
(do you really think if we stop buying thses knives any kids that are supposedly "enslaved" are going to go free or something?)

... I think.

Does it matter if you know for sure it would or wouldn't help to stop it? i mean really EMF would you donate money to an organization which you found or thought to be unethical? If you are pro gun would you donate money to the anti gun !@#$ wads? I have no problem with helping out a local animal shelter with feed for the beasts but would never give one cent to a terrorists org. like peta and i will donate to anything that helps feed and give medical care to people all over the world if i have researched and found that they use the money for such purposes and none is funneled into the un. Of course it helps if there is no demand it will at the very least help and that is good enough for me.

[eatingmuchface]

honestly, I'm not so sure about this "enbslaved children" thing anyway... Isn't it just a cheaply made knife made by chinese workers who get little pay because labor is so cheap there???
idk, I'm not going to overthink it. and I'm not getting the knife anyway (as of now) so it doesn't matter.

[sdt11670]

honestly, I'm not so sure about this "enbslaved children" thing anyway... Isn't it just a cheaply made knife made by chinese workers who get little pay because labor is so cheap there???
idk, I'm not going to overthink it. and I'm not getting the knife anyway (as of now) so it doesn't matter.

Steel is a huge industry in china and i do mean huge and they are well on their way to becoming the worlds largest economy. I have no problem buying quality products made there but i don't want to support slave labor where children or adults are concerned. I just wouldn't want to take a chance on cheap products. Now if a cheap product could be verified not to be slave labor produced (due to regional pay) i probably still wouldn't buy it simply because it is cheap and labor pay would be slave wages anyway... just being honest here.

[kiah]

sdt11670

The working conditions are harsh in a lot of Chinese factories by our standards. This can not be debated. They work long hours for little pay. The main problem with your argument of "slave labor" is that they do get paid. While it may be pocket change for you, it's grocery money for them. If those jobs disappear, then so does the small amount they are being paid. Some of the girls that worked in the factories may be able to scrounge by on prostitution. Some of the men may be able to steal enough to feed their families for a time. Most, however, will die of starvation.

The problem with your thinking is that you don't have a view outside of your own. In a perfect world these factory workers would make enough to buy cars, electronic gizmos, and spend thousands on the same useless shit that we do. Unfortunately, the world is not perfect.

There is always a tradeoff. If everyone decided to boycott China Today, there would be repercussions. Those Chinese factory workers you're so worried about would suffer a horrible fate. China would no longer have trade money coming in for all the cheap crap we buy, so they would turn to producing and selling what they could to whoever would buy them, weapons. Prices in the US would skyrocket as demand greatly exceeded supply. New factories would have to be built here to make up for the loss of the Chinese ones, leading to massive land development and the destruction of more of our wilderness.

The list could go on and on. My point being, before you make blanket statements, please remove your head from your ass long enough to consider the consequences.

[sdt11670]

sdt11670

The working conditions are harsh in a lot of Chinese factories by our standards. This can not be debated. They work long hours for little pay. The main problem with your argument of "slave labor" is that they do get paid. While it may be pocket change for you, it's grocery money for them. If those jobs disappear, then so does the small amount they are being paid. Some of the girls that worked in the factories may be able to scrounge by on prostitution. Some of the men may be able to steal enough to feed their families for a time. Most, however, will die of starvation.

The problem with your thinking is that you don't have a view outside of your own. In a perfect world these factory workers would make enough to buy cars, electronic gizmos, and spend thousands on the same useless shit that we do. Unfortunately, the world is not perfect.

There is always a tradeoff. If everyone decided to boycott China Today, there would be repercussions. Those Chinese factory workers you're so worried about would suffer a horrible fate. China would no longer have trade money coming in for all the cheap crap we buy, so they would turn to producing and selling what they could to whoever would buy them, weapons. Prices in the US would skyrocket as demand greatly exceeded supply. New factories would have to be built here to make up for the loss of the Chinese ones, leading to massive land development and the destruction of more of our wilderness.

The list could go on and on. My point being, before you make blanket statements, please remove your head from your ass long enough to consider the consequences.

I have considered some of the things you speak of and mainly the notion that many may need the "pocket change" however you realize as i stated that china is about to become and most certainly will become the worlds largest economy and they no longer export oil but rather import it and in fact they are in direct competition with us for it and have even secured it with our canadian neighbors. HUGE economy -low pay! and Yes i have considered the fact that they are the largest population. And the last time i checked massive land development is only increasing in this country at an alarming rate and you think buying this crap has slowed it down? You realize how many factories are empty in this country yet land development continues ... or progress as they call it! I simply call it destruction. hmmmmmm i had no idea cheap china goods had saved some of our wilderness. I guess if it makes you feel better about buying the crap...think what you will.

[kiah]

First and foremost, punctuation is your friend.

I have considered some of the things you speak of and mainly the notion that many may need the "pocket change" however you realize as i stated that china is about to become and most certainly will become the worlds largest economy and they no longer export oil but rather import it and in fact they are in direct competition with us for it and have even secured it with our canadian neighbors.

You're 100% correct. Those greedy bastards wanting oil. Fucking assholes. :mad:



And the last time i checked massive land development is only increasing in this country at an alarming rate and you think buying this crap has slowed it down? You realize how many factories are empty in this country yet land development continues ... or progress as they call it! I simply call it destruction. hmmmmmm i had no idea cheap china goods had saved some of our wilderness.

I don't recall typing anything about current land development. I stated that if everyone boycotted China Today, we would have a surge.



I guess if it makes you feel better about buying the crap...think what you will.


Turn your keyboard over and check the CoO. I bet it's China. Now go around and check the rest of your stuff. If you can honestly say that nothing you own comes from China, I'll eat my mouse.

As for the topic of this board. I do buy some knives made in China. Not all of them are "crap". My Rough Riders are easily on par with my Cases. I have others that outclass their American counterparts. That said, I just received my new Moyer custom in the mail, and bought three new knives from John Greco a few hours ago. I fully support the American cutlery industry, more than most, but if I or anyone else wants to buy a knife made elsewhere it's really noone else's business. To single out knives to gripe about, when you're using a China made computer to type your rants, is hypocritical.

Noss, I just asked Cougar why we had a freakin' political forum on BF. I get it now.

[Noss]

Yep. I never venture into the political forum on BF. From the looks of it I may need to add one here to keep it separate from the knife stuff. Time well tell I guess.

[sdt11670]

I at one time threw out everything in my house that had made in china on it but you are correct i have many things including knives made in china but i don't have any cheap crap made in china. As far as it being none of my business you are again correct and programmed as you are if you would realize i am only griping with suggestion that if there is no demand it will go away.

[Izan]

I bet that chick in your Avatar has something on that was made in China, heck maybe she was made in China.

[sdt11670]

I bet that chick in your Avatar has something on that was made in China, heck maybe she was made in China.

I doubt that since the chick is raquel welch.

[Izan]

Well, she owns a wig company that manufactures them in China. Guess you need a new Avatar because I do not think someone with the strong convictions as you have would endorse a person that makes money this way.

[Noss]

99 percent of every item in my house is made in China.

[Macgregor]

Thats because everything in you house is a POS :D
JK

[Macgregor]

Omg Its Made With Slave Labor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Macgregor]

Darn This Forum Doesnt Allow All Caps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Macgregor]

http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/824084/tp/1/
Lolz, and officialz internetz boycottz. Itz superz seriousz.
I'm reading the massive thread now.

[Noss]

Thats because everything in you house is a POS :D
JK


LOL :D I have a few nice things. :D

[Macgregor]

Wow, that 13 page thread is epic.
They even mention EMF, slip, and me a few times.

[Macgregor]

According to the guys on KF the only reasons you do knife tests is to make people angry.




big WTF on that one

[Noss]

No, I don't do the tests to make people angry. I just do the tests an they get angry. :rolleyes:

[Macgregor]

Wise words bro.
This lordofwar guy is cracking me up.

Who wants to put money down that hes a 12 year old?

[Macgregor]

Real mature post by BadAxe to my bud EMF, feel like getting him for this one.
"Dude, what the hell are you talking about. You mean to tell me that a $100 Ranger is not in the same class as a $300-$500 Busse. Go figure. The only thing that a Ranger did not do that a scrapper did, was survive noss bouncing up and down on the blade. Does that mean that it is not in the same league? F*ck No. Get your head out of your ass. The only thing that means is the the scrapper has better lateral strength. Both are way tougher than any person would need them to be in real life"

[Macgregor]

Leatherface is a real good face for his buisness.
"want some cheese with that whine??

aww they being mean to ya huh??

NOW why would we do that?

Ok I will come clean

I do DIG THAT mask

cant help it I own the whole series of Friday the 13th

that is the only thing I can remember saying nice about you that wasnt chemically induced

I think your a clown performing an act...You do really well at getting 10 year olds to watch what ya do and I will give ya that


use the knife how it was meant to be used...simple as that bro

cut rope

cut wood

cut things that need cutting with a knife

simple stuff bro"

[Macgregor]

Post to the cameraman.
"have that 13yr old behide the cam learn a few things "
lolz

[Macgregor]

More lolz for LOW.
"I am the one talking sh*t bud! I do have a profession so I can't d*ck around here all day. You'll just have to catch me when I'm on. Also I don't talk sh*t about you when your not here. I just think what you do is lame end of story boyo! On top of that the boys over on your forum do a pretty good job talking sh*t too! Matter a fact it was a couple of you cronies that came over here and started stirring up sh*t!!! Why are you even over here ??????? Oh yeah you could just pm me!"

Wish this sandy vagina would come over here.

[Macgregor]

From se7en.
"One again you make no sense, sy did do better in the test ? why, cause noss marked it with a couple extra stars on his generic site ? lol dont kid urself kid, the tests are bullshit no matter how "well" or badly something might have seemed to perform."

[Noss]

Those are some funny entertaining people they have over there.:D

[Macgregor]

I like how when they couldnt come up with answers they began to insult SYKCo, calling them ugly or saying they are run bad.

This post is very "special".
"The ranger tested was cut into half or more proally before clamped in the vice, maybe not, it sure wasnt shown prior tho. "

[Macgregor]

Those are some funny entertaining people they have over there.:D

They are like the stand up comics of the knife world.
Except they are actually trying to be serious.:p

[Macgregor]

Justin just lost any knife respect I had for him, I do respect who he is.
"Noss

Ok I have stayed out of this as long as I possibly could. Now because of the disrespect shown by you and a few others it has just gotten to a point that I feel the need to respond.
The RD7 held up well in the test. Did I expect it to break….Of course. …..It is a tool designed for cutting and chopping. It is overbuilt for those tasks and as you can see from the “testing” it did its job.
That being said I have no issue with the knife breaking…..anything can be broken when one sets out to do so. I don’t agree with calling it a test as it isn’t based on true testing methods. A true test has control over all aspects of the test so that the same result can be duplicated. I see Noss and what he does as a show nothing more.
So you ask if I don’t have issue with the knife breaking or the “testing” of it then why did I bother to respond.
The bigger issue here and the one that Noss seems to miss as do his cronies is very simple. My issue is simply that he won’t show his face and his total lack of respcet for anyone or anything! My face is everywhere by my choice or not. So when I say something on the forum you can bet that I would say it to your face. Noss on the other hand feels the need to hide behind a mask and a computer screen. To me this is the mark of a coward and a “telephone tough guy”! He has nothing vested in the products that he “tests”. He purposfully destroys knives. Then turns around and bashes the company that made it. He doesn’t care how it affects the company or the customers. As you can see (from his 7 posts here) his sole purpose and motivating factor is to stir controversy and sh*t. It is this wanting to stir sh*t, this lack of respect for others that I have issue with. It is the fact that he won’t respond with anything other than a snip here and there and then he wants to play the victim when people with time, money, energy and themselves vested into a product don’t like him or call him out on his “testing” methods. That is what I have issue with!
So here is my challenge to you Noss and to all your cronies. Take off the mask, give me a time and place and I will bring the knives. You can "test" them how ever you so choose. Then we will see if you want to “test” them the same or say the same things when people know who and where you are. Better yet the Ranger Camp out will be July 25-27 just outside of Denver. So why don’t you and your camera man come on down (without your masks) drink some beer meet some of the folks you are so quick to dismiss or disrespect on the forums and we will show you how to properly test a knife in the woods! "

[Noss]

I did test his knife in the woods before the D test. I guess he didn't see it. I dug a fire pit ,chopped an batoned with it.

[Macgregor]

Alot of Justins posts have spelling mistakes, this isnt usual inn his other posts.
This sugests to me that he made those posts while angry or on the defense.

Hows that for some science. ;)

[Macgregor]

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha, this is the best of LOW.
"
Enough!!!!!!!! I've had ENOUGH! Noss you have a forum that you and your followers can enjoy right! Well this is my place and if I or anyone else want to see what you do we can check it out on your forum right! Then why are you here???? Don't go away mad, just go away!"

[Noss]

I thought at first he owned KF. I was so use to blade forums I didn't recognize he wasn't.
I don't think I have ever seen him on blade forums.

[Macgregor]

Well all in all I think you handled yourself well Noss.
You certianly showed more maturity then many of those posting in that thread,
It seemed like your "14 year old cronies" took alot of heat though. :D

I'm done copying and pasting posts BTW.

[Macgregor]

I am disappointed in Leatherface though.
Instead of arguing points he just seemed to make personal attacks to you.
Thought he was better then that.

[Noss]

Many took it well there, an some just went ballistic over it. It was mainly the same ones that started all the threads bashing my tests before.

[Macgregor]

Well let their panties get all bunched up.
All they are to me is monday night entertainment. :D

[Noss]

LOL :D Whatever makes you happy :D

[Macgregor]

Well seeing knives being beat into oblivion makes me happy so keep doing that. :D

Just let you "14 year old cronies" argue with trolls from now on. ;)

[Tac45]

You sure must have done some reading Mac! Funny how those 'grown ups' resort to childish name calling. Those 'grown ups' also don't mind picking on young guys. That ain't very grown up.

[Macgregor]

Well thats usually what they resort to, name calling.
I allways point out how mature they must be since they are going after teenagers because of their age.

[Gman1128]

I find these kind of people hilarious! It is always funny to see how worked up some people get over a knife, especially one like the RD7 that didn't do all that bad.

By listening to them you would think someone is murdering their firstborn child or something!