AK47 Bayonet tested by Noss

[out5yder]

Hi guys.

I have one observation regarding the AK Bayonet tested by Noss on knifetests.com.
It is written in the title "USA M9 vs. Russian AK Bayonet", but that's a Romanian, not a Russian version of the AK47 Bayonet.

There are several versions of AK47 bayonets, coming from several ex-comunist countries. The Romanian version is the most popular one and the one tested by Noss.
Here is the Russian version: http://www.ak47bayonets.com/gear/Gear_Review_Detail.php?g=gear1153888074
And here is the Romanian version: http://www.ak47bayonets.com/gear/Gear_Review_Detail.php?g=gear1148232356
And here are all versions: http://www.ak47bayonets.com/Top_10.php , but there are many other variances which are not listed.

I intended to make this remark long time ago, but I postponed it for some reasons.

The romanian version of AK47 bayonet is one of my favorite knives (some time ago it was my favorite one) and I also intend to post some tests soon with one of these bayonets, including some tips about it. Of course, regarding destruction rezistence you can see everything relevant in the test made by Noss. The tests I intend to do will concern only functional tips and the use for which it was designed.

PS: Thank you Noss for taking into consideration this bayonet and for the time you allocated to testi it! :thumb:

[culpeper]

Thanks for the clarification. You have to forgive us Texans. We refer to the former Warsaw Pact countries as Russia in general. They were interchangeable words most of our lives.

[out5yder]

Besides the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, parts of the Warsaw Pact had been:
Albania
Bulgaria
Czechoslovakia
Hungary
Poland
Romania
German (Democratic Republic)

Refering to all of these countries as "Russia in general" is like refer to England, France, Federal German Republic and many others as "United States of America in general". Those countries have nothing to do with Russia and today even the components of the ex Soviet Socialist Republics cannot be refered as Russia.

Of course, the AK47 (also known as Kalashnikov makine gun) is of Russian provenience at its origins. But that represents today more than 50% of all asault weapons existing in the entire world. And there are many variances of this weapon today which are not Russian made. Romania is one of the most important exporters of this kind of weapons in the world and has its own variants of Kalashnikov and of course of the bayonet. That is different from the Russian variants.

Best Regards!

[culpeper]

Sorry, but hiding under a school desk during a drill in elementary school did make a difference. It was all Russia to us.

[Macgregor]

Hmmmmmm, I already pointed it out here and told noss it was Romanian.
http://www.knifetest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=145&page=2

Infact you used the same exact links I did.

[out5yder]

Hmmmmmm, I already pointed it out here and told noss it was Romanian.
http://www.knifetest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=145&page=2

Infact you used the same exact links I did.

It seems you're right. Sorry that I didn't search the forum before posting this thread.

Best Regards!

[culpeper]

Hey, did you guys really storm that palace in Romania.? That was awesome.:D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/TimbruRevolutie.png/150px-TimbruRevolutie.png

[Macgregor]

It seems you're right. Sorry that I didn't search the forum before posting this thread.

Best Regards!

No problem, I'm actually glad you caught it.

[gottahaveit27]

It seems to me that the primary importance to being accurate in the country of origin regarding the bayonet is to distinguish one knife from the other, since both Russia and Romania make similar bayonets for their respective millitaries and the countries of origin were the only thing used to label them in Noss's original thread. So even if you don't otherwise wish to distinguish Romania from Russia it becomes necessary in the context of this test.

[culpeper]

I wish to thank you for that.

[NervusNorvus]

There could be differences between the Russian and Romainian versions, outward similarities notwithstading. Heat treatment, steel type, and grind angle might differ. So knowing the bayonet's region of manufacture could turn out to be important.

[Noss]

When I bought the thing it was advertised as a Russian bayonet so thats what I thought it was.

[gottahaveit27]

Thanks for the test Noss! :rockon: I wasn't trying to jump on the bandwagon or anything, I just thought a valid point was made and I was responding to culpeper, to support the person who made the point. It was a great test and we now know a little more about it, thanks to some of the responses :thumb: Anyway, I appreciate what you do here (I know I need to tell you more often;)) Keep up the great tests!

[culpeper]

It's important that is identified correctly. I was just being facetious about the Cold War days, which in hindsight I shouldn't have done since we live on opposite ends of the ocean and our perspectives are different. Its ingrained on our minds and will be until our generation is gone. Its even in the marketing and packaging. Like Noss pointed out. It stated, "Russian". That sells. If it said "Romanian" only knife collectors would buy them. Something like this...

"Look! I got a Russian knife!"
"Wow! That's really cool!"

As opposed to:

"Look! I got a Romanian knife!"
"What?"

We're just kinda dumb like that because the Cold War was a big deal. In America, there was no censoring of the threat. The Warsaw Pact was collectively Russia in our minds. Today, we know that is bullshit. BTW, glad to see Romania is now part of the European Union and NATO. I would much rather have Romania on our side. Here is some nostalgic American propaganda. Thus, our fascination today with anything remotely Russian.

http://www.twcnet.edu/cschutz/history-page/Consensus/is-this-tommorrow-poster.gif

[Noss]

"Look! I got a Romanian knife!"
"What?"


:D:D:D Yeah if it was listed as a Romanian knife I would not have bought it.


It was suggested I put the AK47 bayonet against the M9 so this is what I did. When I searched for one on the net I searched for a Russian AK47 bayonet. The one in the test is what I found.

Sorry for the mistake.

[out5yder]

Then, thanks for the mistake!
I'm very glad that I saw this bayonet tested here.
And, btw, as I said before, this romanian version is the most popular of all AK bayonet versions and variants.

PS: we have also exported weapons to Georgia, this year (2008) in value of 19,5 million dollars, just before they fall in war with Russia, so you might see our bayonets fighting against Russian versions sometime :D

[Noss]

Well then your welcome for the mistake. :D

[culpeper]

Then, thanks for the mistake!
I'm very glad that I saw this bayonet tested here.
And, btw, as I said before, this romanian version is the most popular of all AK bayonet versions and variants.

PS: we have also exported weapons to Georgia, this year (2008) in value of 19,5 million dollars, just before they fall in war with Russia, so you might see our bayonets fighting against Russian versions sometime :D

That's good news! One day Georgia will be part of NATO too.

Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out
They leave the West behind
And Moscow girls make me sing and shout
That Georgia's always on my mind

[gottahaveit27]

I'm just really nervous about Russia these days. The "cold war" might be starting to warm again. :(

[gottahaveit27]

And we both got tons of nukes :eek:

[culpeper]

Russia is flexing her muscles. Makes me wonder if the economic crisis was designed to lower the price of crude. It was making Russia rich and cocky. The problem is that when the USSR failed the mob sold off most of their military equipment. If it wasn't nailed down it was gone. :D Anybody interested in buying a nuclear powered aircraft carrier?

[LoganSackett]

Actually, the AK-47 bayonets that are most commonly confused are the Bulgarian 1st Pattern and the early Russian ones. The Bulgarian won't have an arsenal marking like the Russian on the guard. The Russians will have either an Ishevsk or a Tula arsenal mark.

Bulgarianhttp://www.ak47bayonets.com/gear/Gear_Review_Detail.php?g=gear1148230438

Russianhttp://www.ak47bayonets.com/gear/Gear_Review_Detail.php?g=gear1148229789&swg=true

If you look closely at the Russian bayonet, you can barely see a star mark on the side.