Schrade Extreme Survival Video Destruction Test Completed [Archive]

Noss

02-12-2009, 08:43 PM

Schrade Extreme Survival Video Destruction Test Completed.

The videos are in seven parts. Enjoy The videos. They were made for you. :thumb:

Quick summary:
The knife came sharp out of the box. It peeled the apple better then it sliced it.
It easily cut the 10,000 pound webbing.

Chopping: Was just fair.
Batoning: was good.
Tip Work: I successfully dug a hole through a 2x4. No tip breakage.
Sheet metal penetration: The knife made some nice size holes in the metal. I finally broke the tip during this.
Hammer impacts on wood: No problems here.
Concrete chopping: The edge held up well.
Hammer impacts on concrete: All was going well up until the end. The blade finally broke near the handle.
End of test:

Part 1
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Part 2
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Part 3
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Part 4
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Part 5
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Macgregor

02-12-2009, 10:01 PM

Cool.

Thanks bro.

will york

02-12-2009, 10:10 PM

Not bad at all for the price. Thanks for the test, Noss. Pretty damn nice knife for $50.

Noss

02-12-2009, 10:24 PM

Your welcome men.

the steelnut

02-12-2009, 10:34 PM

Can't believe it held up that well, way to dish it out Noss:)

Noss

02-12-2009, 11:11 PM

the steelnut: Thanks Man. I may get another one and do some more testing with it.
At least I can afford this one compared to the original. Also welcome to the forum if I didn't already do so.

gak

02-13-2009, 06:04 AM

Thanks for the tests, they're always fun and educational.

When you did the apple peeling I thought you were going to say, "I think this is when the Chris Reeve knives failed...":p

Noss

02-13-2009, 06:32 PM

gak: :D

Welcome to the forum. Your welcome for the tests.

miro44one

02-14-2009, 05:59 AM

Thanks for the test, Noss!
And I think it's pretty funny that most people over at Bladeforums can' t seem to cope with the simple fact that this is a better knife(or atleast tougher) than the CRK Project even though it' s only a knock-off at a fraction of the price:D

lafayette

02-14-2009, 06:32 AM

if a counterfeit is better than the true brand....Amazing test. CRK should be worried.

me2

02-14-2009, 03:23 PM

Is there a time limit for how long we can keep poking at CRK? I hope not. Is this linked to a thread in BFC? Whats this knife made from?

Paul The Brit

02-14-2009, 07:42 PM

I think Noss said 1070 carbon steel? I hope the CRK fan-boys choke on this... :)

kurodrago

02-14-2009, 07:59 PM

Nice test Noss, as always:) although I like more the copy GB:D I knew that the copies are more stronger. What a shame:D

P/S .....BladeForums LOVE YOU
Rampant ignorance. Noss's tests are a distraction from this thread, which has already been riven with contentious disagreement. Noss's tests have always been valueless, except as a basis for trolling. They have been disproven as "tests" from the start.
What a shame:D shut dawn.

double P/S....Sharp Phil
I don't even know "mistwalker." I have no reason to hate him.
At least he doesn't hate you, maybe he loves you:D:p

culpeper

02-14-2009, 10:34 PM

CRK has bigger problems than just this test. But is a testament to the overpriced crap CRK produces.

Looks like the manufacturer can makes some improvement in the areas of the tip and hilt area of the blade. The grind can be changed and the ergonomics of the handle can be improved. Thanks for the test, Noss. Good job.

culpeper

02-14-2009, 10:37 PM

Is there a time limit for how long we can keep poking at CRK? I hope not. Is this linked to a thread in BFC? Whats this knife made from?

This is knifetest.com. There is no limit on CRK backlash. The only thing that can redeem CRK is CRK pricing their blades like Schrade. If they can't do that then they are better off making fish hooks with their steel. Well, on second thought....

zenlifter

02-15-2009, 08:34 PM

Good test. Thank you also for doing the test. Once again you have made a point that some will finally get and others hopelessly not. I hope "Karda" is watching.
CRK does make a fine folding blade. :)

Noss

02-16-2009, 04:35 AM

miro44one: It wasn't that I broke the CRK it was I broke their big fat ego's. :mad: I have never seen so many cry babies in one place as BF. Those losers need to grow up get a life. Your welcome for the test.

lafayette: Yeah the Schrade will do everything the CRK will do plus it's on the tough side and the cost difference just favors the Schrade. I mean hell you can buy six of them compared to the CRK. SIX Damn it !!

me2: No no such rule here. :eek: The knife is listed as 1070 on many sites that sell it. I also saw it listed on one as 440c but this was only one. Taylor brands does not list it on their site.

kurodrago: Well I go through a lot of trouble and expense just to be a troll :rolleyes: He has lost his mind. What a dumb shit he is. :D

Paul The Brit: they will I'm sure. I just wounder how many fist fights will take place over this ? :D

culpeper: Thanks man. Your welcome. I don't like the design myself. It's not very comfortable to use. I'm not sure what ergonomic changes could be made but a little angle between the handle and blade would go a long way probably. It's very straight and you feel it when your chopping and the round handle does not help things.

zenlifter: Thanks. Your welcome. I have never handled or used any CRK folders yet. I don't have many folders myself. Just a few. I hope Karda is reading this because he is a dumb ass also but then he is Phil's brother so this explains it. :D

the steelnut

02-16-2009, 06:59 PM

Whats this knife made from?

Made from a re-cycled Chinese Bicycle:thumb:

kiah

02-16-2009, 07:04 PM

steelnut, are you the steelnut from BFC?

zenlifter

02-16-2009, 11:42 PM

I hope Karda is reading this because he is a dumb ass also but then he is Phil's brother so this explains it. :D

Thats funny!!! And does explains much!

Magnum22

02-16-2009, 11:57 PM

the blade was at an angle, the round handle rotates easily in your hand, and the hammer came from above. that knife woulda definitely survived the blow if not for those serrations.

why do the companies put the serrations in the 'control cutting' area of the blade anyway? the OHT and CLB Direkt liner lock got it right. the plain edge belongs on the inside.

G. Scott H.

02-17-2009, 02:51 AM

Great stuff, as always, Noss. :rockon: I wonder, how many death threats have you received from CRK fans so far? :D:eek::p

Noss

02-18-2009, 04:53 AM

Made from a re-cycled Chinese Bicycle:thumb:

Could very well be the case. :D

Magnum22: Good question. I think many times serrations are there more as eye candy to knife buyers. Serrations sure do have their place and use but many times they simply get in the way.

G. Scott H.: Your welcome. I haven't received any death threats but I'm sure a few would like to kill me judging from their behavior and comments on the forums. I'm sure they fantasize about it. :D

shecky

02-20-2009, 12:17 AM

Nice test. Thanks, Noss!

miro44one: It wasn't that I broke the CRK it was I broke their big fat ego's. :mad: I have never seen so many cry babies in one place as BF. Those losers need to grow up get a life.

That's one thing that really gets me about BF. For a bunch of self described rugged-individualist-tough-guy-knife/gun-nuts, whining about how pussified the world has gotten, and the dastardly deeds of Jared West/Lynn Thompson, they're thinner skinned than a bunch of 10 year old drama queen girls.

dl351

02-20-2009, 01:49 AM

Ok, so I'm new here, but I have a question for anyone to answer. No matter how hard I tried, I could not find any information about the Rockwell hardness of this Schrade survival knife. To me, as a knife nut, that means that the hardness is nothing worth bragging about because it's not very high on the scale. As such, since this particular knife is made of 1070 carbon steel, it would tend to be a bit softer than say, 1095 or A2 which both have more carbon than 1070. Also, A2 additional alloying elements that increase hardness. Since this is the case, would it be safe to say that this knife lasted longer than the Chris Reeve knife simply because 1070 does not harden as much as A2 and is tougher as a result?

Noss

02-20-2009, 04:01 AM

shecky: Your welcome. Yeah there are some real tough guys there. http://www.33smiley.com/smiley/emotions/14.gif

dl351: The Schrade does not seem soft. I have no idea the HRC of the knife. I'll
do some simple tests to get an idea if it is or not.

I really expected it to do better being 1070 if this is what it truly is. Especially if it is on the soft side. I'll perform some tests and post what I find here.

Noss

02-20-2009, 04:50 AM

dl351: I just go back in from the shop. I did the file test on the Schrade. I tried to cut notches in the spine I could barley do this. The Schrade is definitely on hard side. I used two different mill files using the edge to try and cut in. I used plenty of pressure but the files just glide over it only making very shallow cuts. They look more like scratches then cuts. In comparison I did the same thing with the GI tanto and made a few nice deep cuts very easy.

So the schrade is on the hard side as I thought it was. The spine took very little denting during the tests from the 3lb hammer.

I'll try and drilling it with some standard bits. On knives in the 57 range I can usually start to drill a very shallow hole before before I burn the drill bit. . We'll see what happens.

Noss

02-20-2009, 05:21 AM

dl351: I tried to drill it using a new drill bit. No deal. All I could do was take the finish off like a pen prick.I tried to center drill it first with no affect. The Schrade is hard no doubt about it.

Here are two photos ( sorry for the bad quality using a crappy camera ) the top photo is the Schrade EX the bottom is the Ranger RD7. I circled the dent from the drill bit on both blades with a marker. The other big drill mark on the Ranger was done a long time ago using a different drill bit. Using the drills I had (new) only these small marks were made.

Schrade
http://knifetest.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=383&d=1235127584

Ranger RD 7
http://knifetest.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=382&d=1235127569

dl351

02-20-2009, 06:05 AM

Thanks for the info. I'm not surprised about the GI tanto getting scratched. I looked on Cold Steel's website and they even advertise it as having a "hard spring temper." As far as the Schrade, how does it seem as far as simple edge retention compared to the Chris Reeve? I'll admit that I'm asking because it would be very disappointing to have the Chinese knock-off out perform the original. That being said, better performance or not, I don't think I'd ever buy one of these Schrades simply because I'm not a fan of such blatant copying. Aside from that, I keep reading about how neither knife is very comfortable to use.

Noss

02-20-2009, 06:13 AM

No problem. The edge seemed to hold up well after chopping and batoning. I didn't notice any edge loss after this. Of course I didn't do very detailed edge retention testing but It seemed to do well.

No neither knife is comfortable to use. How they both compare after 3000 rope cuts ? I can't answer.

culpeper

02-20-2009, 09:40 AM

Contact Morgan Taylor at Taylor Brands through their website. He will give you the specs on the knife. Let him know you are with KT.com. He knows about us.

The Cameraman

02-22-2009, 11:08 AM

Nice test. Thanks, Noss!

That's one thing that really gets me about BF. For a bunch of self described rugged-individualist-tough-guy-knife/gun-nuts, whining about how pussified the world has gotten, and the dastardly deeds of Jared West/Lynn Thompson, they're thinner skinned than a bunch of 10 year old drama queen girls.

Hey come on, man, those guys are THE authorities....on everything. They don't, well, how do I put this....they don't actually PRODUCE anything......at all. But, that's the beauty about being the authority--you know the truth about everything. AND, it sure doesn't matter whether someone, say, posts a video record of actual knife tests and allows people to draw their own conclusions from the results, you know better then to trust those pesky things. After all, you're the authority, right? :D

I'm No Authority, The Effing Cameraman

trib trekker

02-22-2009, 01:59 PM

inadvertently duplicated. see below

trib trekker

02-22-2009, 02:15 PM

What gets me about these sanctimonious asses, is their pompous insistence on scientific methodology. Yet neither they, nor anyone else I've been able to find actually offers any. Does it even exist? The only science I care about when I don a blade, is what went into it's creation. After that, all that matters is will it do whatever I need it to do, or will I come home with a broken blade? I wonder if they hold their boots, or canteens to the same standard. Did they actually test their 550 to determine it's true tensile strength??

miro44one

02-22-2009, 02:52 PM

But for some reason the people in the Busse/SW/SR forum seem to mostly like Noss and his tests...Go figure;)

trib trekker

02-22-2009, 06:01 PM

Well, since you mentioned it, maybe the connection is more insidious than we think. Perhaps we should try to organize a knifetests.com convention in Wauseon OH!:thumb: I can get there in about an hour, and I'd love a factory tour!

kiah

02-22-2009, 09:24 PM

Noss

02-23-2009, 02:30 AM

Noss

02-23-2009, 03:04 AM

Take your own Scotch, Jerry doesn't share. :D

I heard this also. :D

will york

02-23-2009, 02:56 PM

Take your own Scotch, Jerry doesn't share. :D

Don’t believe a word of it--Jerry’s a very generous guy. It’s true you may catch him short of Johnny Walker Blue if you show up unannounced, but I’m sure if he still has a stash of Carling Black Label beer in the warehouse he’ll be glad to share. Just don’t reach for the Coors Light—if Amy catches you, you may never see another piece of INFI out of Wauseon (and don’t EVEN get into her Clark bars). :D

dingyu1980

02-23-2009, 10:01 PM

hi, noss
Schrade,is a low price version of CR?
made in china?

Noss

02-24-2009, 06:06 AM

Don’t believe a word of it--Jerry’s a very generous guy. It’s true you may catch him short of Johnny Walker Blue if you show up unannounced, but I’m sure if he still has a stash of Carling Black Label beer in the warehouse he’ll be glad to share. Just don’t reach for the Coors Light—if Amy catches you, you may never see another piece of INFI out of Wauseon (and don’t EVEN get into her Clark bars). :D

Well will just have to arrive at the precise moment Jerry returns from the liquor store with new full bottles in hand. This will require expert timing on our part. :D

dingyu1980: Yes and yes. :D

will york

02-24-2009, 10:55 AM

Well will just have to arrive at the precise moment Jerry returns from the liquor store with new full bottles in hand.

I don't think he goes to the liquor store anymore--he has people. :cool: :D

Noss

02-24-2009, 02:11 PM

LOL ! :D I wish I had people. :D

trib trekker

02-25-2009, 06:39 PM

Well, just pick a date and time and I'll get there and stall--brrrrrrppp--until you guys get there!

Noss

02-26-2009, 05:22 AM

There won't be any left when we get there. :(:D

the steelnut

02-26-2009, 07:22 AM

Talk is cheap in the knife destruction game.

Good one:D:D

338 Stalker

03-01-2009, 02:59 AM

As always quality test mate :thumb:

Noss

03-01-2009, 07:28 AM

338 Stalker: Thanks. Were have you been lately. ?

trib trekker

03-01-2009, 07:44 AM

There won't be any left when we get there. :(:D

What are you suggesting NOSS? That a knifetest.com enthusiast can't exercise restraint? "Let's continue!":D

338 Stalker

03-03-2009, 03:13 AM

338 Stalker: Thanks. Were have you been lately. ?

Just laying low & working ATM mate :) . I pop by every now & then to check things out, I would hate to miss something :D

Noss

03-04-2009, 08:41 AM

Good deal bro.

doubletap

03-06-2009, 07:32 AM

You do some great tests Noss I really appreciate your hard work. The more I look at this knife the more I want one. They make one with a more bowie shaped blade that I'd like to buy. I just really like hollow handle knives for some reason (grew up in the 80's;) ) Does any one know if the cap on the Chris Reeve knife and the Schrade interchange?

Noss

03-07-2009, 03:09 PM

Thanks man. I don't know if the handle caps interchange or not. Unfortunately I don't have either knife in my possession anymore to find out.

Tone1132

05-25-2009, 07:59 AM

Im Sure the Pin you were questioning in the vid was meant to be stuck through the lanyard hole so the user could create more torque, like when driving a screw. I hope this wasnt covered yet. Thanks for your time and for all the videos made :)

Noss

05-27-2009, 07:43 PM

Tone1132: Welcome to the forum. Good call on the metal rod use. I didn't think of that at the time.

Buck Blades

09-22-2009, 09:51 PM

Great test Noss. I own one of those knives and its tough, in fact its my 'go to' knife currently.
i hate to say this, cause it saddens me to see and buy knives from overseas, but since Schrade has moved production to China Ive bought a few of their knives and there not bad.
Perhaps a test on a Schrade SCOR, mines taken a lot of abuse, I'm curious to see what you could do with it.
Once again, great test Noss.

Noss

09-23-2009, 03:25 AM

Thanks Buck. I'll look into the Schrade SCOR. It's surprising what China can turn out these days.

QuietBearr

10-06-2009, 01:07 AM

I am pretty suprised it held up so well, I mean, I think it did a lot better than the CRK original, and one thing is for sure, the price is better.

I dont really care for the design, of the original either, I just dont care much for hollow handled knives, one piece or not, and even knives that are solid handled but still one piece like the Clinco Viper, I just think they transmit too much vibrations down the handle....

Great test though man, keep shaking up the knife community and breaking peoples egos!

Noss

10-07-2009, 11:13 PM

Will do ! :D

QuietBearr

10-31-2009, 02:06 AM

Recently got this knife to review it and test it, have to say, man I think that it is a well built knife, but my opinion on hollow handled knives remains the same.

When I was chopping with it, it felt like my arm was going to vibrate of from the transfer of shock to my hand. And I think I literally brused my hand. This is nothing against the SCHF9, just the design of the CR Project (its obvious designer). But I suppose if you like hollow handles knives, there is none better at this time that I know of than this one.

xxo

10-31-2009, 01:30 PM

Maybe a piece of bicycle inner tube on the handle might help?

Noss

10-31-2009, 01:45 PM

This may help some. It's a very uncomfortable knife to chop with. The design just does not support a good chopping blade. It's very odd feeling when doing this. The knife is straight as a nail has a narrow blade and a round metal handle. None of this transfers well for chopping. Both the schrade and the CRK suffer from this. If chopping is what one is after this design is a poor choice. Other blades of simular size like the falk A1 are a much better choice. My RAO even out chops this design.

jankerson

10-31-2009, 03:46 PM

Yeah I love all the expert comments about how they would do it right but don't ever do anything. :rolleyes: They are just talkers because talk is cheap in the knife destruction game. I have called on the so called scientific experts to produce something, anything for over two years and not one d-test by the standards they preach has been produced by the so called experts.

Some things about BF that people need to understand:

1) Cold Steel sucks period, you will be bashed if you post they are anything but junk.

2) Knives are for slicing, anything else other than showing off how well it slices is abuse.

3) Chris Reeve knives are the BEST IN THE WORLD PERIOD, don't ever say anything negative.

4) The Spyderco Military is pretty much the same as Chris Reeve. (See 2 & 3)

5) Anything but a very thin bladed knife sucks because you can't slice cheese and tomatoes with it.

6) Chris Reeve is the greatest.

7) Spyderco Military is the greatest.

8) Noss's destruction tests don't prove anything, they are a waste of time and stupid.

9) Lynn Thompson sucks

10) Thick bladed knives suck, only very thin bladed knives are good, anything else other than a Spyderco Military is a folding pry bar and worthless.

11) Don't buy Busse and Strider because they are folding pry bars and overpriced when you could buy CRK or Spyderco.

12) Battoning is abuse, nobody needs to batton a knife.

13) CRK and Spyderco are the only knives worth buying, everything else is just a waste of money.

Noss

10-31-2009, 10:00 PM

LOL. Yeah that about sums it up. :D

QuietBearr

11-01-2009, 01:07 AM

jankerson

11-01-2009, 05:43 AM

I like the CRK folders, but I won't buy one, for my money Strider is the better buy and if I break one they will fix it for free no matter what no questions asked.... Just like Busse. :) :thumb:

Oh... I freaking hate Spyderco, always have.

miro44one

11-01-2009, 06:07 AM

Yea I suppose that is just about right! LOL

I feel at home here saying that I dont like CR knives. If I said that on BF I might be banned lol.

To be honest, any maker that makes a folding knife that even flicking it open with a wrist flick voids the warranty, that just isnt something I am willing to pay over $300 for!

ARE YOU KIDDING ME! I am serious here, flicking out a folding chris reeves knife voids the warranty. And I dont mean anything abusive, I mean the same thing we all do with our folders, start it with the thumb and flick it out with a little wrist action.

THAT VOIDS THE WARRANTY!

How are people all married to CR when he makes knives that cant even take that! How will it hold up to a small accidental drop from a pocket? LOL

To much money for to little of a knife IMO. And I thought this before Noss tested them out, that just really cemented my beliefs on all CR knives. Fit and finish may be nice on them, but if that is all I was going for, then I would likely be collecting ceramic dolls or something.

Oh yea, and jankerson, you left out three items from your list:

14. Chris Reeves is the best knifemaker ever
15. Spyderco Military is the best knife ever as well
16. No one is an expert except me (me being: whoever is currently posting)

That is not true though( what you said about the Sebenza.) Yes, it does void the warranty but it doesn' t damage the knife. I' ve owned a Sebenza for 5 weeks now and it' s the best FOLDING(!) knife I' ve ever owned. Hands down. Yes it' s not as tough as a Busse but that is because it' s a folder, and folders are not made to baton or pry with, they just can' t do it. But it' s not easy to brake and won' t brake if you drop it, believe me. For a folder it' s built incredibly solid and I guess I' ll still be EDCing it in 5 years. If I ever feel the need to baton something I' ll carry a fixed blade and not a folder.
In my opinion a Sebenza is nothing different that a Strider folder in terms of quality, materials, manufacturing quality...oh and price. It' s just 2 different design types, some prefer the Strider designs some the Sebenza, like me. Perfectly fine. But I wouldn' t say it' s better or worse than a Strider, just different.
Just to clear that up, I' m not a CRK Fanboy, never. I look critically at everything they manufacture and after seeing Noss' tests I know that I will never buy a fixed blade by them.
I hope you understand (or simply accept) my opinion on the Sebenza. I' m not trying to stirr something up here or get a flame war started like on Bladeforums, just stating my opinion.

btw. Please excuse grammar mistakes as I' m a German.

jankerson

11-01-2009, 06:22 AM

That is not true though( what you said about the Sebenza.) Yes, it does void the warranty but it doesn' t damage the knife. I' ve owned a Sebenza for 5 weeks now and it' s the best FOLDING(!) knife I' ve ever owned. Hands down. Yes it' s not as tough as a Busse but that is because it' s a folder, and folders are not made to baton or pry with, they just can' t do it. But it' s not easy to brake and won' t brake if you drop it, believe me. For a folder it' s built incredibly solid and I guess I' ll still be EDCing it in 5 years. If I ever feel the need to baton something I' ll carry a fixed blade and not a folder.
In my opinion a Sebenza is nothing different that a Strider folder in terms of quality, materials, manufacturing quality...oh and price. It' s just 2 different design types, some prefer the Strider designs some the Sebenza, like me. Perfectly fine. But I wouldn' t say it' s better or worse than a Strider, just different.
Just to clear that up, I' m not a CRK Fanboy, never. I look critically at everything they manufacture and after seeing Noss' tests I know that I will never buy a fixed blade by them.
I hope you understand (or simply accept) my opinion on the Sebenza. I' m not trying to stirr something up here or get a flame war started like on Bladeforums, just stating my opinion.

btw. Please excuse grammar mistakes as I' m a German.

Your English is fine. :thumb:

He does make good folders IMO, but I believe they are more Gentlemens folders than real hard use knives, they are strong, but that warranty scares me. Like you said some like CRK Folders and others like me prefer Strider. :)